54 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Our Chuck just announced the trade but not the details.

Chuck Mercedes. Good guy.

30 minutes ago, wegner said:

I will be absolutely shocked if they extend Mune....he bet on himself and won and he will go to free agency.

I also hope I'm wrong.

He’s a Japanese guy and the culture is very different there. I’d wager he like to sign with the Sox long-term if they come with a respectable offer.

51 minutes ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

He’ll be available at 41. This is an overslot position….a stud is incoming.

Yep. Drafting Lackey!

The positive is eisert is about to be 29 and is a -.2 WAR this year and really shouldn't be on a ML roster. So we traded a guy who had no position to play in the team who would be a backup for the#34 pick and a RP who is young with upside.

And this also makes the draft fun as hell

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He’s a Japanese guy and the culture is very different there. I’d wager he like to sign with the Sox long-term if they come with a respectable offer.

But will they?

22 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

Going high on a couple HS guys would be my guess

Maybe a college arm ? Or are we in acquire as many hitting prospects as we can because they are more valuable in trade.

Zion Rose would be very interesting with this pick. Roch, Rose and then Thome would be a strong start

45 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Also, this all but confirms Roch is the pick at 1.01.

Nope. We need extra money now. Jacob Lombard it is

23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I just don’t agree with this take. You think market value of a comp pick is a major league ready LH hitting infielder with plus plate discipline & power who brings a solid glove at multiple spots and comes with 6+ years of control.

The average career WAR for a comp A pick is ~4 I believe. Jacob is on pace for ~1.5 wins as a 1B and his bat is much better than his current season-to-date results. I think as a 2B his floor is a 2 win player and ceiling is much higher than that. Just playing the odds, he will be more valuable than the comp A pick.

Jacob’s history isn’t all that relevant. He reinvented his swing this offseason and was finally able to tap into his natural raw power. He came up to the majors and quickly demonstrated he wasn’t just a product of Truist Field. And he isn’t a guy strictly relying on his new found power…he was always a very disciplined hitter. He doesn’t have to hit 30 HRs to be a very valuable player.

You summarized it well. The trade is just bonkers to me. I'd rather have Gonzalez than Meidroth at 2B to be honest.

32 minutes ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

This is a sign Getz is playing the long game and wants to build this farm up to be a powerhouse and build a sustainable MLB pipeline. Gonzo has nowhere to play so why not deal him for a stud college starting pitcher close to MLB-ready? Could be an overpay but we can’t see their draft board.

That said, if Getz considered Gonzo trade bait and used him to snag a comp pick rather than improving the 2026 roster, I expect the deadline to be fairly quiet for the Sox. You don’t trade a top trade chip away for a comp pick if you plan on pushing in some major chips on this season.

I don’t want to be that guy, but draft picks bust. I love Shirley and think he’s a legit star when it comes to talent evaluation, but he’s far from perfect. Look at the Hagen Smith pick (which was overslot) and what we could have taken as example (and yes, I know Getz is more so responsible for that). Do we really think a late 1st round college pitcher is a slam dunk? It’s why prospects are less valuable than proven commodities and draft picks are worth less than similarly talented prospects. That bust potential requires a discount from a valuation perspective and it just doesn’t seem to be baked into the equation here.

37 minutes ago, bmags said:

I like this trade. Important draft and the budget is part of it. If NIL is reducing value of comp pick, the value is we have more money to outbid NiL.

Great move. Should allow us to trade for some pitchers.

How does this allow us to trade for more pitchers? We just gave up one of our top couple of prospects to get pick that can’t be traded for quite some time.

25 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I just don’t agree with this take. You think market value of a comp pick is a major league ready LH hitting infielder with plus plate discipline & power who brings a solid glove at multiple spots and comes with 6+ years of control.

this move just is doing s%*# to do s%*#. we will see how it pans out but yea, you don't expect much more than a gonzo type from 34th overall median, if that.

Wow makes me think they are going with cheapest option now at 1

38 minutes ago, fathom said:

So why do some feels this guarantees Roch?

Because Gonzalez is far more redundant with Roch & Bonemer coming

27 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I just don’t agree with this take. You think market value of a comp pick is a major league ready LH hitting infielder with plus plate discipline & power who brings a solid glove at multiple spots and comes with 6+ years of control.

The average career WAR for a comp A pick is ~4 I believe. Jacob is on pace for ~1.5 wins as a 1B and his bat is much better than his current season-to-date results. I think as a 2B his floor is a 2 win player and ceiling is much higher than that. Just playing the odds, he will be more valuable than the comp A pick.

Jacob’s history isn’t all that relevant. He reinvented his swing this offseason and was finally able to tap into his natural raw power. He came up to the majors and quickly demonstrated he wasn’t just a product of Truist Field. And he isn’t a guy strictly relying on his new found power…he was always a very disciplined hitter. He doesn’t have to hit 30 HRs to be a very valuable player.

You make good points and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

This will definitely be an interesting long-term watch. Is Gonzalez legit? Will this pick turn into a better player?

Like a few months ago Gonzo was a turd fly. Now we are outraged at his departure compensation. Which is better than a turd fly. Getz is building

7 minutes ago, ron883 said:

You summarized it well. The trade is just bonkers to me. I'd rather have Gonzalez than Meidroth at 2B to be honest.

I’d rather have “The Chairman of the Board” (🤮) at 2B than in LF and in place of Meidroth. Find a massive power bat for LF.

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11 minutes ago, wegner said:

Lackey also hits RH and could it be possible they cut a deal to pay him less and now they have even more overslot money to play with? Or am I overthinking this??

I'm about the farthest from a draft expert there is but I have a hard time projecting a catcher at #1. I love his athleticism but he wants to play catcher. He might be a better athlete than Roch or Emerson. I think he could switch positions just as easily as the other 2.

It doesn't seem to matter who makes the decisions for the Sox, but there's always a clear deficit in strategic planning. I'm not a huge Gonzales fan but the Sox need pitching without trading low on a dude like Noah. This accomplished nothing to improve our MLB pitching and makes the probability of giving up meaningful value to fill a deficit need (legit MLB pitching) while reducing our IF depth. If they had traded him for a legit quality reliever (or packaged him with someone for said RP) I would at least appreciate the need to consolation value for MLB assets.

A move like this only makes sense if you don't plan to be a buyer and you think you're selling high on a dude that's not going to produce with a longer term vision of truly competing next year after you've spent some serious cash.

3 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Like a few months ago Gonzo was a turd fly. Now we are outraged at his departure compensation. Which is better than a turd fly. Getz is building

Not a fan of this argument at all. So you’re saying we would have been outraged if Oppor was in this deal, as he was the opposite of a turd fly coming into this year?

40 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Don’t agree with this guy on the batted ball data…looked pretty good to me over the last two weeks when he was our best hitter.

5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

this move just is doing s%*# to do s%*#. we will see how it pans out but yea, you don't expect much more than a gonzo type from 34th overall median, if that.

Maybe they tried moving something like Beni, but they couldn’t get anything done. So yeah, in a way. But We may also be jumping the gun a little bit on just how valuable and “proven” Gonzalez is

42 minutes ago, Capn12 said:

If this were pre 2026, everyone on the board would have loved this, but let the guy have a modicum of success in the bandbox at AAA, and all of a sudden, this is a 'gigantic loss'.

He also flashed a pretty good hitting profile in the majors that made believers out of previous skeptics like Keith Law & Kiley McDaniel.

8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t want to be that guy, but draft picks bust. I love Shirley and think he’s a legit star when it comes to talent evaluation, but he’s far from perfect. Look at the Hagen Smith pick (which was overslot) and what we could have taken as example (and yes, I know Getz is more so responsible for that). Do we really think a late 1st round college pitcher is a slam dunk? It’s why prospects are less valuable than proven commodities and draft picks are worth less than similarly talented prospects. That bust potential requires a discount from a valuation perspective and it just doesn’t seem to be baked into the equation here.

Yep. Just looked at that draft and Smith is by far the worst top 10 pick that year. We passed on wetherholt and griffin. Even condon who had struggled is raking and should be up any day

Gonzalez could have netted us something really valuable. wtf?