13 hours ago13 hr 10 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:Do you think Lebron is still in play at number 1?I still think LeBron has a good chance of being a better pro than Roch.
12 hours ago12 hr I dont pretend to be a draft expert but I dont understand how this is a bad trade. I think some are over valuing Gonzo. I wish the kid nothing but the best.
12 hours ago12 hr 6 minutes ago, Bonemer, I Hardly Know Her said:You're passionate and well informed, that's a good thing. But you're overrating your own "scouting" and it's clouding your judgment.Congrats you were high on Colson and Sam, big whoop. You're so hell bent on Lackey that you ridiculously have Roch and Emerson ranked like 6th and 7th in this class.I don't think this trade is a slam dunk either, I would have liked a little more return. But the Sox clearly have a plan today and they are trying to maximize it. Willing to give Shirley and Getz he benefit of the doubt and let it play out instead of shitting all over them like a know-it-all is probably healthier behavior,Pal, I don't think I'm a scout. Certainly not of amateur players. Too,s are all I'm assessing in that space.This is bad process because of the math. A 45 FV player who is big league ready is more valuable than the 34th pick. Does it mean it can't work out? Of course not. Every team thinks they've got "a guy" that will prove them right. Fact is, it works out less often than not.I certainly am not giving Chris Getz the benefit of the doubt.Everyone acting like the Sox have all these draft successes under Getz are just odd. Antonacci is the one success. I like taylor but they've butchered his development. I obviously think Caleb will be awesome but he hasn't been yet. I understand it hasn't been a long time so hard to judge yet, but I'd like to see some actual results first from drafts before I'm singing these praises.They've already given Mead away from free to have him have a 124 wRC+. This will be my last post on the topic. I've spent too many word on it. Edited 12 hours ago12 hr by Look at Ray Ray Run
12 hours ago12 hr 29 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:There are multiple factors here. I don't expect everyone to like it and I definitely understand the consternation. I think it's important to realize that this front office didn't draft Jacob Gonzalez and he wasn't likely part of their future plans as another LHH infielder despite the breakout. The White Sox just treated him as found money essentially. For him, they create two needed 40-man spots and add essentially $3 million to their pool. If they take a prep guy at 34 at near slot, it's another highly regarded prospect added to the system but it also increases their pool by $1 million with the overage. They went from $18.5 million to $21.5 million. It allows two extra prep swings essentially. This doesn't mean that the White Sox won't be buying. They owe it to the club to buy. This was just an opportunity to sell high on a guy that wasn't in their plans.This should be required reading for how the $ come into play on the trade. Jimmy is dialed in and breaks it down.
12 hours ago12 hr No denying there’s a chance this ends up looking real bad in a few years, but I do think it makes sense from an organizational standpoint. There’s just no room in the IF for Gonzalez to play and thinking his bat will be enough as a full time 1B/DH is probably a stretch. I just hope this trade isn’t specifically to acquire Thome as some are speculating. That screams the organization hasn’t turned the corner from Jerry’s same old ways as much as I hoped
12 hours ago12 hr 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:This would imply jacob gonzalez is a 35 FV player. No one has him rated as that today.This was s%*# process again from a team who has no commitment to winning.Someone else said take a high school arm. Lol. Might as well throw a dart at a dart board a mile away and hope to hit a bullseye.That said, them doing this so they can go acquire a nepo-kid in Thome, is classic dysfunctional white sox. Doesn't matter who is in charge with this org. I dont get the Thome love at all.I dont know much about Thomes son, and the trade may ultimately be bad, but it's pretty clear the Sox are all over him. Shirley even referred to him last night. I dont understand the infatuation. Hopefully a few years from now, we will be happy about it. I do remember how pissed Ozzie was when they didn't pick his son high, but wasted a lower round pick on him. Maybe they like having Jim around and figure it's worth this price to keep hi. It would be funny if someone picked him before 34.
12 hours ago12 hr I guess I'm confused why people would be upset if one of 2nd or 3rd pick would be Thome. According to all the rankings I have seen, it's not like it would be a stretch to take him there. I guess you can call it a nepo pick if you want, but it doesn't seem like it would be a stretch on the actual talent spot.
12 hours ago12 hr 14 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:I dont know much about Thomes son, and the trade may ultimately be bad, but it's pretty clear the Sox are all over him. Shirley even referred to him last night. I dont understand the infatuation. Hopefully a few years from now, we will be happy about it. I do remember how pissed Ozzie was when they didn't pick his son high, but wasted a lower round pick on him. Maybe they like having Jim around and figure it's worth this price to keep hi. It would be funny if someone picked him before 34.nobody is picking him in the 1st round except the sox
12 hours ago12 hr 2 hours ago, white sox 80 said:The problem is people fall in love with draft picks too much. The argument that Gonzalez hasn't done anything until this year is weak. Not all players develop at the same rate. How long did it take Jon Garland before he broke out?Fully agree.
12 hours ago12 hr 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:Why is this continually said?Who cares what a prospect who has reinvented his swing and approach looked like before he did those things?I have no idea why people are treating the 34th pick in the draft like it's some huge asset.This team should have been trying to improve the roster today, not acquire another lotto ticket. And for thomes kid maybe? Sheesh, what a disaster.Can't wait to draft andrew dahlquist 2.0!Having an extra pick and the additional bonus pool dollars is awesome, but the draft is still a crapshoot and the odds of the player selected at #34 becoming a quality major leaguer is far from a guarantee. And we just used our best, most fungible trade asset to get it. To me, there should have been a second prospect coming back to make this trade make sense, one who could have been used to help upgrade the major league team. The Reds gave up a Comp A pick and Mike Sirota (pre blow up) for two years of Gavin Lux. I get Lux was a massive prospect and only one year removed from a very nice season, but I think 6+ years of the current version of Jacob is at least worth as much.This feels like Getz was committed to getting this pick at all costs for reasons not yet known. I’m actually pretty excited about Thome as a prospect, but if they made this trade to ensure they 100% get him then that’s a bad move. Right now, you dream Landon can be as good as Jacob one day and if he can’t play SS at the major league level I’m not sure the ceiling is really any higher.
12 hours ago12 hr 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:You said you wanted them to shove to compete this year, and now you're all in on them trading one of their only assets for a lotto ticket... meaning they have traded one of the only things they had to improve the MLb or near-mlb level pitching for a mediocre pick.Make it make sense.Fully agree with you here.
12 hours ago12 hr 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:This would imply jacob gonzalez is a 35 FV player. No one has him rated as that today.This was s%*# process again from a team who has no commitment to winning.Someone else said take a high school arm. Lol. Might as well throw a dart at a dart board a mile away and hope to hit a bullseye.That said, them doing this so they can go acquire a nepo-kid in Thome, is classic dysfunctional white sox. Doesn't matter who is in charge with this org. I dont get the Thome love at all.This website is pure garbage. This is suggesting Jacob for Woods would be a fair trade…lol.
11 hours ago11 hr 27 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:I guess I'm confused why people would be upset if one of 2nd or 3rd pick would be Thome. According to all the rankings I have seen, it's not like it would be a stretch to take him there. I guess you can call it a nepo pick if you want, but it doesn't seem like it would be a stretch on the actual talent spot.Agreed. MLB.com has Landon Thome ranked #34 so it is not a reach at all. They know him well as he was a teammate of Fauske. Plus, look at the number of sons of former players in the league who turned out to be good. Being a son of a former great player is a good thing. See Vlad Jr, Tatis, Etc. Wait until you hear about the sons of Konerko and Frank Thomas who will be draft eligible in the next few years.
11 hours ago11 hr 1 hour ago, SoxBlanco said:Two reasons that I can think of:We REALLY want that extra money for this draft. Even if it just means you are replacing a more advanced prospect with a less advanced prospect, it gives them more flexibility today in the draft. Even if the guy they take at 34 never pans out, it could give more money to get someone at 41 who they otherwise wouldn’t have drafted.They are selling high on him. Maybe they aren’t sold on him and are worried the second half of this year will reduce his value. I love the idea of selling high if you are doing it with a guy who will never have a spot on the major league team.This is only selling high if you don’t believe in the player. As I mentioned in my last post, two years of mediocre Gavin Lux returned a Comp A prospect and a decent prospect. With any extended stretch of productive major league play and Jacob’s value exponentially increases. And while he’s blocked right now, any injury to an infielder or Benintendi and he’s a regular once again.If Getz & Fuller don’t think Jacob can sustain what he’s showed in Charlotte and the majors over the past couple of weeks, then I agree this is selling high. But to me, this feels like we’re overpaying for an asset he had to have for reasons unknown vs. not believing in the player. If we were really trying to sell high, we’d have waited until after the draft when more teams are engaged.
11 hours ago11 hr 1 hour ago, joejoesox said:nobody is picking him in the 1st round except the soxYankees have been mocked to take him at 35.
10 hours ago10 hr 27 minutes ago, SkokieSox said:Yankees have been mocked to take him at 35.seems like hes rumored to go from late 1st to 3rd round, I listen to a lot of baseball draft podcasts and most have him as a solid 2nd or 3rd rd pick, I haven't seen anything about him going 1st round until the last two days
10 hours ago10 hr 2 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:I guess I'm confused why people would be upset if one of 2nd or 3rd pick would be Thome. According to all the rankings I have seen, it's not like it would be a stretch to take him there. I guess you can call it a nepo pick if you want, but it doesn't seem like it would be a stretch on the actual talent spot.Zero concerns with taking Thome…I’d love to grab him. But if the cost to get him is effectively Jacob Gonzalez, then I think it’s a highly questionable move.
10 hours ago10 hr 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:Zero concerns with taking Thome…I’d love to grab him. But if the cost to get him is effectively Jacob Gonzalez, then I think it’s a highly questionable move.I guess it also depends on how much he signs for and what else they do with potential savings. It’s a little more complicated than it being: Gonzalez and Eisert for whoever is drafted 34 and Woods
10 hours ago10 hr 2 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:I guess I'm confused why people would be upset if one of 2nd or 3rd pick would be Thome. According to all the rankings I have seen, it's not like it would be a stretch to take him there. I guess you can call it a nepo pick if you want, but it doesn't seem like it would be a stretch on the actual talent spot.You’re confused why people are upset at trading for a pick to pick a guy whose 90 percentile outcome in 3 years is where Gonzo is as a prospect right now? Edited 10 hours ago10 hr by thxfrthmmrs
10 hours ago10 hr 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:To me, there should have been a second prospect coming back to make this trade make sense, one who could have been used to help upgrade the major league team. The Reds gave up a Comp A pick and Mike Sirota (pre blow up) for two years of Gavin Lux. I get Lux was a massive prospect and only one year removed from a very nice season, but I think 6+ years of the current version of Jacob is at least worth as much.Supply and demand. How many comp picks were being dangled as late as yesterday? And we talk about Thome, maybe he's willing to offer the Sox a discount at 34, thus increasing their ability to maximize another lower slot.
10 hours ago10 hr 4 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:Why is this continually said?Who cares what a prospect who has reinvented his swing and approach looked like before he did those things?I have no idea why people are treating the 34th pick in the draft like it's some huge asset.This team should have been trying to improve the roster today, not acquire another lotto ticket. And for thomes kid maybe? Sheesh, what a disaster.Can't wait to draft andrew dahlquist 2.0!Preach, king! The trade is truly baffling to me.
9 hours ago9 hr 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:Fully agree.Jon Garland moved super fast.He was 19 or 20 when he debuted.Just took him 2-3 years of struggling at the big league level to find himself.
9 hours ago9 hr 46 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said:You’re confused why people are upset at trading for a pick to pick a guy whose 90 percentile outcome in 3 years is where Gonzo is as a prospect right now?It would definitely be head scratching if it wasn’t done for pitching or the outfield. Undeniably. But I’m sure it had to be tge best offer that was on the table, right?
9 hours ago9 hr 54 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said:You’re confused why people are upset at trading for a pick to pick a guy whose 90 percentile outcome in 3 years is where Gonzo is as a prospect right now?No. I’m talking about thome specifically. People are acting like it would be a purely nepo pick and that doesn’t seem to be the case to me.
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