4 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Romero says it's because of the option situation, but Romo should still have options remaining I thought?

Romo does have options. But he was previously DFA so could not

16 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I'm not sure this is right. The Sox had DFA Romo to get him down to Charlotte at the end of Spring and then there's this:

I believe that Romero is wrong. The Sox DFA'd Romo this past winter because they wanted him off the 40 man. You cannot option in January. He cleared waivers, and was outrighted. He does have 2 options remaining. If/when he is DFA'd next, he will have the option to reject the outright and become a FA (which basically everyone that isn't on a guaranteed MLB contract does).

30 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I'm not sure this is right. The Sox had DFA Romo to get him down to Charlotte at the end of Spring and then there's this:

It is. There was a 40-man crunch before spring training, coinciding with the Hicks/Sandlin trade. Romo and Iriarte were cut to make room.

I really like this Bart trade. Given he’s under control next year, I think you go to camp with a battle for the backup spot but consider Bart the favorite. Honestly, given Quero is only 23 years old, I’d be ok with him opening next year in AAA and trying to regain some form & value. I’m also open to trading Quero, but I think he’s a guy who could improve quite a bit with a focused offseason plan.

1 hour ago, Bill The Boy said:

Hogan, is it possible that the Sox pitchers collectively want Drew Romo to stay because--- for lack of a better term--- he's good to work with? In other words, that he makes them feel more confident somehow? And although the bat hasn't exactly been on fire, maybe this catcher-to-pitcher rapport takes precedence. Or, maybe that theory is "out in left field?"

At some point an adult has to be in the room and make the call that while we understand you like throwing to Romo, he currently puts the offense at a deficit. And let’s be honest here, he has not been helping with those challenges

2 hours ago, Bill The Boy said:

Hogan, is it possible that the Sox pitchers collectively want Drew Romo to stay because--- for lack of a better term--- he's good to work with? In other words, that he makes them feel more confident somehow? And although the bat hasn't exactly been on fire, maybe this catcher-to-pitcher rapport takes precedence. Or, maybe that theory is "out in left field?"

That “theory” is reality and you’re right on the money IMO.

27 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

At some point an adult has to be in the room and make the call that while we understand you like throwing to Romo, he currently puts the offense at a deficit. And let’s be honest here, he has not been helping with those challenges

Quero has 3 extra base hits in 170 at bats and a worse OPS+ than Romo, are his handful of singles in the past week really making up for the chasm in their defensive abilities? Quero is very possibly the worst catcher in the sport and affects the pitch calling because he can't be trusted to block a slider in the dirt. Until he can prove in AAA that he can do that, I never want to see him again.

2 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said:

Quero has 3 extra base hits in 170 at bats and a worse OPS+ than Romo, are his handful of singles in the past week really making up for the chasm in their defensive abilities? Quero is very possibly the worst catcher in the sport and affects the pitch calling because he can't be trusted to block a slider in the dirt. Until he can prove in AAA that he can do that, I never want to see him again.

Gonna he honest I don’t see a chasm between the two of them. I see two bad catchers and I like Quero better

Just now, Kyyle23 said:

Gonna he honest I don’t see a chasm between the two of them. I see two bad catchers and I like Quero better

I also see two bad catchers, but all the metrics say Romo is superior at defense. Quero is ranked 66/71 of qualified catchers in blocks above average per statcast at -6, Romo is 28/71 at zero BAA.

I'll add that if you pay attention Quero gets shaken off probably a dozen plus times a game, I'm pretty sure he has zero clue wtf he's doing back there.

Edited August 4Aug 4 by JoeCredeYes
More Quero hate

12 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said:

I also see two bad catchers, but all the metrics say Romo is superior at defense. Quero is ranked 66/71 of qualified catchers in blocks above average per statcast at -6, Romo is 28/71 at zero BAA.

I'll add that if you pay attention Quero gets shaken off probably a dozen plus times a game, I'm pretty sure he has zero clue wtf he's doing back there.

I mean, I don’t expect either of their numbers to be good. When I watch the games I don’t feel confident that either of them know what they are doing to be honest, there is nothing either does that gives me the feeling that one is the better defender than the other. Quero has won a few games with his bat and that’s about all the good things I can say about him. Romo had a mild hot streak when he came up and that’s the best thing I can say about him. Every game I watch Romo seems to burn a challenge in the dumbest way possible. Picking between Romo and Quero to me feels like picking which pile of s%*# smells worse, you are welcome to believing in Romo if you wish.

Romo has to be on about life #5 of his 9 lives in the big leagues.

1 hour ago, Timmy U said:

I'm not sure this is right. The Sox had DFA Romo to get him down to Charlotte at the end of Spring and then there's this:

To sneak him off the 40-man. Fangraphs says he has 2 so not sure this guy is right.

5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

To sneak him off the 40-man. Fangraphs says he has 2 so not sure this guy is right.

He has a blue checkmark.

How dare you question him???

2 hours ago, Quin said:

Also this sight is very funny.

Gigantor, anyone remember ? Was early Japanese anime on WGN show Rocket To Adventure hosted by Ray Rayner wearing an astronaut suit. If I had remembered this earlier I would've called Murakami Gigantor !

Edited August 4Aug 4 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

I have no idea why this is even a discussion, like I get people have to find something to still nitpick when the team is good, but come on. Both Quero and Romo suck really, really bad. Quero is only better because he's still really young and maybe has potential, so the Sox want Quero to play every day and work on stuff in a lower pressure environment to see if he can still be anything. Romo is gone once Teel comes back, and is likely barely going to play because Bart isn't good either but he's light years better than the 4th worst catching tandem in the history of baseball.

1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

I mean, I don’t expect either of their numbers to be good. When I watch the games I don’t feel confident that either of them know what they are doing to be honest, there is nothing either does that gives me the feeling that one is the better defender than the other. Quero has won a few games with his bat and that’s about all the good things I can say about him. Romo had a mild hot streak when he came up and that’s the best thing I can say about him. Every game I watch Romo seems to burn a challenge in the dumbest way possible. Picking between Romo and Quero to me feels like picking which pile of s%*# smells worse, you are welcome to believing in Romo if you wish.

I can't disagree with any of that except that my gut tells me Quero makes more insane challenges and I'll take whichever the pitchers are more comfotable throwing to. Unfortunately one of them is going to have to stick around until Teel is hopefully back, but I'm not as pysched about that as I once was because he's been brutal behind the plate other than this year too save for his plus ability to throw guys out.

2 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said:

I can't disagree with any of that except that my gut tells me Quero makes more insane challenges and I'll take whichever the pitchers are more comfotable throwing to. Unfortunately one of them is going to have to stick around until Teel is hopefully back, but I'm not as pysched about that as I once was because he's been brutal behind the plate other than this year too save for his plus ability to throw guys out.

Catching, as our former Bears Head Coach John Fox once said, “Is a problem. It’s all a problem”

59 minutes ago, almagest said:

I have no idea why this is even a discussion, like I get people have to find something to still nitpick when the team is good, but come on. Both Quero and Romo suck really, really bad. Quero is only better because he's still really young and maybe has potential, so the Sox want Quero to play every day and work on stuff in a lower pressure environment to see if he can still be anything. Romo is gone once Teel comes back, and is likely barely going to play because Bart isn't good either but he's light years better than the 4th worst catching tandem in the history of baseball.

I guess my argument is that in reality Quero isn't better at anything except contact and still barely an improvement. Romo is only 24 (25 this month) and arguably was the higher touted prospect and a former first round pick. They both suck and yes, Quero should be given the regular ABs in AAA in the hopes he can turn it around. I suppose I just think Quero's defense is THAT bad that he can't be on this roster.

Read some rave reviews about Bart's defense and receiving. I take them with a grain of salt but hope they are true. Quero really stabs at the ball and Romo isn't much better.

1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Read some rave reviews about Bart's defense and receiving. I take them with a grain of salt but hope they are true. Quero really stabs at the ball and Romo isn't much better.

My best friend is a die hard Giants fan as much as we all are Sox fiends… He said we’ll love Bart and that he initially had issues transitioning to a one legged setup behind the dish that lead to him allowing a lot of passed balls / poor blocking.

He’s since tightened that up and now blocking is one of his strengths. He also said pitchers did indeed prefer throwing to him.

He’s also slightly above average in controlling the running game.

The main knock was his pitch framing which with ABS i personally don’t think has as much value.

If I recall - his bat had been showing signs of life before the trade as well.

Just now, hi8is said:

My best friend is a die hard Giants fan as much as we all are Sox fiends… He said we’ll love Bart and that he initially had issues transitioning to a one legged setup behind the dish that lead to him allowing a lot of passed balls / poor blocking.

FWIW this is also some of what Quero is going through. He had 0 passed balls and a .996 fielding% as a rookie last year, and then they had him change his set up with the goal of improving framing results and his blocking has suffered as a result.

14 minutes ago, hi8is said:

My best friend is a die hard Giants fan as much as we all are Sox fiends… He said we’ll love Bart and that he initially had issues transitioning to a one legged setup behind the dish that lead to him allowing a lot of passed balls / poor blocking.

He’s since tightened that up and now blocking is one of his strengths. He also said pitchers did indeed prefer throwing to him.

He’s also slightly above average in controlling the running game.

The main knock was his pitch framing which with ABS i personally don’t think has as much value.

If I recall - his bat had been showing signs of life before the trade as well.

Next question is what made him blow up offensively for the Pirates in 2024 and then come back down to earth?

21 hours ago, JoeC said:

He has a blue checkmark.

How dare you question him???

Romero is about the only one of these so-called 'insiders' who isn't a complete idiot.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/dodgers-catcher-dalton-rushing-dealing-with-partially-torn-ucl-status-unclear-as-postseason-nears-154911297.html

Sox were also working against the Dodgers here, who interestingly brought back two former catchers into the fold to insure for the loss of Rushing…

LAD now without both catchers, Ohtani Snell Glasnow pitching, just got Diaz back as closer. Bubic on the shelf, too.

Edited August 5Aug 5 by caulfield12

22 hours ago, almagest said:

I have no idea why this is even a discussion, like I get people have to find something to still nitpick when the team is good, but come on. Both Quero and Romo suck really, really bad. Quero is only better because he's still really young and maybe has potential, so the Sox want Quero to play every day and work on stuff in a lower pressure environment to see if he can still be anything. Romo is gone once Teel comes back, and is likely barely going to play because Bart isn't good either but he's light years better than the 4th worst catching tandem in the history of baseball.

If Romo sucks, somebody tell me why the likes of Austin Hedges and Martin Maldonado are (were) perpetually employed by MLB teams. I don't know if there are 'metrics' to determine how well a catcher calls a game, but Romo has caught several shutouts and there's a reason he hasn't been DFA'd despite a .500 OPS heavily buoyed by a killer first week. Can a 24-year-old with 200 MLB plate appearances not improve his hitting? Guy can be a ~70 ops+ hitter and still be very valuable.

Is Quero cooked? His calling card is offense and he hasn't shown it in MLB, doesn't mean he won't. Seems like whatever he did in the offseason was a mistake because his AAA ops is 300 points lower than it was the last two seasons. Seems unwise to give up on guys in their early 20s who have demonstrated talent. Bart is a fine stopgap since he cost nothing but it would've been shortsighted to give up talented players for Stephenson or Liam Hicks.