YASNY Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Kobayashi would not have thrown a grand slam to Iguchi. Kobayashi in fact throws 5 MPH harder than Bobby Jenks, his curve runs in the 60 MPH range, and he has better control. According to my own calculations, we would sweep them and Matt Franco would be our MVP, with Benny Agbayani a close second. Jenks has topped out at, what, 102 mph? So this guy from Japan throws at 107 mph? Steinbrenner would kidnap him and bring to NY. Where the hell is Sid Finch when we need him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 6, 2006 -> 03:11 PM) Jenks has topped out at, what, 102 mph? So this guy from Japan throws at 107 mph? Steinbrenner would kidnap him and bring to NY. Where the hell is Sid Finch when we need him? Should I have made my post in green or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jan 6, 2006 -> 02:19 PM) Should I have made my post in green or what? Apologies for misunderstanding. I thought you said that Bobby V had said that. My bad. But, Bobby V has been spewing some crazy s*** lately, so I thought .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Forgive YAS. He's getting up there in yea....err....posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 6, 2006 -> 03:25 PM) Apologies for misunderstanding. I thought you said that Bobby V had said that. My bad. But, Bobby V has been spewing some crazy s*** lately, so I thought .... This is true. LOL, Bobby V has been spewing some crazy s*** lately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 6, 2006 -> 03:15 PM) Forgive YAS. He's getting up there in yea....err....posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 It's unfortunate that some of you seem to be lumping this "simulation" into all the other great work BP does. If you read the tone of the preview article BP wrote for the series, you get the feeling that the series is meant to be a mostly tongue-in-cheeck response to Valentine's crazy blather about how his team is better. Everyone is the sabermetric community admits that is extremely difficult to compare leagues. Nobody over at BP is going, "this is exactly how it would really happen". It's the middle of winter, instead of staring out the window and waiting for spring, they decided to have some fun. Please don't reject Bill James and sabermetrics just because of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jan 8, 2006 -> 12:38 AM) It's unfortunate that some of you seem to be lumping this "simulation" into all the other great work BP does. If you read the tone of the preview article BP wrote for the series, you get the feeling that the series is meant to be a mostly tongue-in-cheeck response to Valentine's crazy blather about how his team is better. LOL, I was thinking the same thing. I'm laughing at all the people having heart problems over this... :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 All I have to say about this thread is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 06:38 PM) It's unfortunate that some of you seem to be lumping this "simulation" into all the other great work BP does. If you read the tone of the preview article BP wrote for the series, you get the feeling that the series is meant to be a mostly tongue-in-cheeck response to Valentine's crazy blather about how his team is better. Everyone is the sabermetric community admits that is extremely difficult to compare leagues. Nobody over at BP is going, "this is exactly how it would really happen". It's the middle of winter, instead of staring out the window and waiting for spring, they decided to have some fun. Please don't reject Bill James and sabermetrics just because of this. BP doesn't do great work, they do the opposite of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 BP doesn't do great work, they do the opposite of that. What don't you like about them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty35thStreet Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jan 4, 2006 -> 05:33 PM) Japan has had exactly 3 players that I can think of that did/could have made a major impact in the MLB: Ichiro, Matsui, and Sadaharu Oh. Outside of that they aren't that impressive. All you have to do is look at the stats for all of the washed up scrubs or MLB journeyman that go over there and dominate. I can't remember who, but some MLB reject broke/would have broken their homerun record if they would have pitched to him. I think you are being generous by saying Matsui did have a major impact, but then again I'm assuming that you are saying it in a postive fashion. He certainly had a major impact for the Yanks against the Halos this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I think it's generally assumed that Japan is the AAAA of baseball. Some have compared it to AAA+, meaning only slightly better than AAA. I have to agree with the more conservative estimate that Japan is just slightly above AAA. One reason more Japanese players don't come over is of course because the Japanese have estabilished the service rule and "bidding price" clause which discourages player movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jan 7, 2006 -> 10:25 PM) What don't you like about them? Everything. I attempted to read some of their articles in the preseason and just threw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Alright, last question Rowand44, if I have anymore I'll take it to PM: Do you agree at all with sabermetrics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Another horrible outing by our starting pitching, but the bullpen and offense comes through. We're still undefeated on the road this postseason. Crede 4 MVP!! http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4695 11/1/2005, ChA05-Chb05, Chiba Marine Stadium 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E LOB DP 2005 Chicago (A) 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 2 0 7 11 0 7 0 2005 Chiba Lotte 0 5 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 6 9 0 8 1 Chicago (A) AB R H BI D T HR BB K SB CS IW HP SH SF AVG PO A E PB Podsednik lf 5 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 .231 2 0 0 0 Iguchi 2b 5 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286 0 4 0 0 Dye rf 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .385 6 0 0 0 Konerko 1b 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333 8 1 0 0 Everett dh 5 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .167 0 0 0 0 Rowand cf 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .200 3 0 0 0 Pierzynski c 4 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250 5 0 0 0 Crede 3b 2 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .500 0 0 0 0 Uribe ss 4 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .100 3 4 0 0 Garland p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 Vizcaino p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 Marte p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 Cotts p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 Hermanson p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 Jenks p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 36 7 11 7 2 0 0 4 4 1 0 0 0 0 1 27 9 0 0 Chiba Lotte AB R H BI D T HR BB K SB CS IW HP SH SF AVG PO A E PB Nishioka ss 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .417 4 3 0 0 Hori 2b 5 2 2 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286 1 4 0 0 Fukuura 1b 5 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286 9 2 0 0 Ohmura cf 5 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273 1 0 0 0 Franco lf 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250 2 0 0 0 Morozumi lf 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 2 0 0 0 Agbayani rf 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 .333 1 0 0 0 Lee dh 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .286 0 0 0 0 Imae 3b 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .385 1 1 0 0 Hashimoto c 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .167 4 1 0 0 Serafini p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 2 0 0 0 Yabuta p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 0 0 0 0 Fujita p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 0 1 0 0 36 6 9 6 2 0 0 4 5 1 0 0 1 0 0 27 12 0 0 Chicago (A) INN H R ER BB K PCH STR BF HR IW HP WP DP ERA Garland 1.2 6 5 5 3 1 45 26 14 0 0 0 0 0 27.00 Vizcaino 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 15 9 5 0 0 1 0 0 2.45 Marte 1.1 0 0 0 0 1 12 7 4 0 0 0 0 0 9.00 Cotts 2.0 1 1 1 1 2 30 19 8 0 0 0 0 0 3.00 Hermanson W 2-0 2.0 1 0 0 0 0 16 12 7 0 0 0 0 0 3.00 Jenks S 1 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 10 7 3 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 9.0 9 6 6 4 5 128 80 41 0 0 1 0 0 Chiba Lotte INN H R ER BB K PCH STR BF HR IW HP WP DP ERA Serafini 6.1 6 5 5 3 2 110 77 27 0 0 0 0 1 7.11 Yabuta BS 1, L 0-1 1.0 4 2 2 0 2 25 19 7 0 0 0 0 0 9.00 Fujita 1.2 1 0 0 1 0 22 14 7 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 9.0 11 7 7 4 4 157 110 41 0 0 0 0 1 Chb: Morozumi inserted at lf in the 8th GWRBI: Crede Temperature: 46, Sky: clear, Wind: left to right at 14 MPH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Yup, Rowand with 2 walks and one K, and Marte and Viz with another 2.1 IP of baseball without a walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Has anyone ever fouled off NINE consecutive pitches before? I just found that tidbit hilarious: Serafini's final undoing was a menacing at-bat by Juan Uribe. Uribe took ball one, fouled off the next nine pitches, took ball two, then drilled the 12th offering to the wall in left-center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 (edited) Well it looks like the Sox get no respect compared to teams from the East. So, why should that surprise us? SFF Edited January 9, 2006 by SpringfieldFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jan 9, 2006 -> 12:16 PM) Has anyone ever fouled off NINE consecutive pitches before? I just found that tidbit hilarious: Didn't Frank do it like last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Jan 9, 2006 -> 12:06 PM) Another horrible outing by our starting pitching, but the bullpen and offense comes through. We're still undefeated on the road this postseason. Crede 4 MVP!! http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4695 God our starting pitching sucks in this simuluation. Garland last only 1.2 innings and gives up a 5 spot. Hermanson and his bad back are running out of the pen, while Uncle Cliff is riding the pine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 9, 2006 -> 01:17 PM) Didn't Frank do it like last year? I don't know, but I find it highly unlikely that Uribe of all people would be someone to see a lot of pitches and foul nine consecutive pitches off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jan 9, 2006 -> 12:16 PM) Has anyone ever fouled off NINE consecutive pitches before? I just found that tidbit hilarious: Nellie Fox could do that in his sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Garland's outing hardly seems plausable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 9, 2006 -> 12:53 PM) Garland's outing hardly seems plausable. Even giving up 5 runs, there is no way Ozzie would have yanked him. BTW, how come Cotts seems to be worse than Viz, Hermy, and Marte? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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