Steve9347 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) OK, Thomas has been coming hard (ew) lately, and the numbers are actually getting close... unbelievable. So, who's going to finish with the better numbers regarding homers and RBI? average is thrown in just for comparision purposes Frank Thomas .281, 35, 97 20 games remaining Jim Thome .293, 39, 97 19 games remaining Regardless, to the Big Hurt and to Jim Thome for excellent comeback seasons. Edited September 11, 2006 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 There's a discussion on this going on in The Diamond Club. Both teams got what they wanted out of each guy. I, too, am happy for both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 10:33 AM) There's a discussion on this going on in The Diamond Club. Both teams got what they wanted out of each guy. I, too, am happy for both of them. if this isn't "Palehose Talk," I don't know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 10:37 AM) if this isn't "Palehose Talk," I don't know what is. Frank Thomas is an Oakland Athletic, sir.... I was just mentioning that there was another discussion going on, Mr. Sensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangar18 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I'll take the April 2006 Jim Thome, or the Frank Thomas of right now .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I think Frank will surpass Jim...Jim has not been good this second half...and not clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BainesHOF Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Frank can hit lefties so I'll take Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangar18 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Unfortuneately for us, Frank Thomas is having MORE of an impact for the A's down the stretch than Jim "Swingin" Thome is for the SOX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I think Thomas ends up with more homers and RBIs...Thome has just cooled off immensely. Hell, I would not be surprised if Thomas hit a career high in homers this year...he has been on fire lately. However, Thomas does not hit left-handed, so that ends the discussion as to who would you rather have in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangar18 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 11:41 AM) I think Frank will surpass Jim...Jim has not been good this second half...and not clutch. For one month, I thought the SOX indeed got the better end of this deal. Deep down, I understand the move, KW wanted/needed to upgrade the offense from last year. Just plain bad luck that Big Frank's injury was mis-diagnosed leading him to reinjure himself last season. Anyone remember just how Amazing Frank Thomas was in just one month back in 05 with the SOX? He was swinging that bat like the Frank Thomas of the 90's. I'll be making that drive up to Cooperstown one day soon. Heres to Big Frank, future Hall-of-Famer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAWKS Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 01:06 PM) I'll be making that drive up to Cooperstown one day soon. Heres to Big Frank, future Hall-of-Famer There is no way I'll miss Frank's induction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgaudin Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(BainesHOF @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 11:13 AM) Frank can hit lefties so I'll take Frank. BINGO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(BainesHOF @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 12:13 PM) Frank can hit lefties so I'll take Frank. Remember the days of 01-04 when the Sox couldnt hit a right-handed pitcher with a good slider? I'll take Thome, thank you very much. FWIW, Thomas is putting up a huge .240 average against LHP this season. The pitch recognition is still there, as he has 27 walks in 113 PA's against LHP(meaning he walks against LHP once every 4 times he steps up to the plate), but he isn't hitting lefties for s***. QUOTE(Hangar18 @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 01:06 PM) Anyone remember just how Amazing Frank Thomas was in just one month back in 05 with the SOX? You mean when he hit .226? His OPS was over 1.000, but he was homer, walk, or K. Pretty much nothing else happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I love Thome and I won't blast him in any way. But the way the stats are now, I'd have rather had Hurt this season. Only because he is the best player in Sox history. That said, Thome has had a great great season and I would never criticize him. Not with his numbers. I think it's sad Big Hurt could conceivably have 3-4 good to great years with another team. I thought our doctors thought Hurt was finished. He was not finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I get quite the laugh out of this comment by Ozzie about Frank Thomas "He's not a good ballplayer, but he's a great hitter". Please just stfu Ozzie, and continue to handle your personnel poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Well, whatever anybody says now, there is no way I would say that KW made a wrong move. He went on the info he had and made a move that helped the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I would rather not have gone into the season with a 38 year old DH who had been slowed to a crawl for the past few seasons due to his foot which is not a good injury for a 280 pound man. Also, if you want to keep Frank then you're going to have to fire Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen, there ain't a chance in hell those 3 could have coexisted this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hey Hangar! Month by month comparison of Thomas and Thome since you think Thome was only good for one month .300/.457/.713 vs. .190/.264/.405 HUGE edge to Thome (.501 diff in OPS) .290/.410/.620 vs. .268/.436/.535 Edge to Thome (.059 diff in OPS) .264/.371/.514 vs. .270/.357/.703 Edge to Frank (.175 Diff in OPS) .299/.384/.621 vs. .276/.413/.540 Edge to Thome (Higher BA to go along with a much higher SLG%) .329/.453/.586 vs. .333/.443/.516 Edge to Thome (.080 diff in OPS) .258/.410/.581 vs. .395/.439/.947 HUGE edge to Frank (.395 OPS, Ofcourse we're only one week into september whereas Thome greatly outproduced Frank for an entire MONTH) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I love the big hurt but I give the edge to Thome because he is with the Sox and Frank is with the enemy. Frank looks much better in a Sox uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAWKS Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 05:05 PM) Hey Hangar! Month by month comparison of Thomas and Thome since you think Thome was only good for one month .300/.457/.713 vs. .190/.264/.405 HUGE edge to Thome (.501 diff in OPS) .290/.410/.620 vs. .268/.436/.535 Edge to Thome (.059 diff in OPS) .264/.371/.514 vs. .270/.357/.703 Edge to Frank (.175 Diff in OPS) .299/.384/.621 vs. .276/.413/.540 Edge to Thome (Higher BA to go along with a much higher SLG%) .329/.453/.586 vs. .333/.443/.516 Edge to Thome (.080 diff in OPS) .258/.410/.581 vs. .395/.439/.947 HUGE edge to Frank (.395 OPS, Ofcourse we're only one week into september whereas Thome greatly outproduced Frank for an entire MONTH) Thome has given this team nothing in the second half. Spin it any way you like, santo=dorf, but Sloth hasn't been a run producer lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(MSHAWKS @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 05:41 PM) Thome has given this team nothing in the second half. Spin it any way you like, santo=dorf, but Sloth hasn't been a run producer lately. Think his run production numbers have anything to do with our leadoff hitter having a .287 obp in the 2nd half? Edited September 11, 2006 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 06:43 PM) Think his run production numbers have anything to do with our leadoff hitter having a .287 obp in the 2nd half? It would probably help if he had a reason to swing, rather than a reason to take a walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(MSHAWKS @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thome has given this team nothing in the second half. Spin it any way you like, santo=dorf, but Sloth hasn't been a run producer lately. You are the one spinning things by putting everything in RBI's Here are some August OBP% for you: Pods: .284 Iguchi: .310 Thome: .453 Konerko: .383 Dye: .390 Crede: .351 AJ: .265 (!) Uribe: .261 Anderson: .367/Mack .310 !!!!!!!!!!!! In big letters for you since you obviously won't set your bias aside: HOW THE f*** IS THOME SUPPOSE TO GET AN RBI IF NOBODY IS ON BASE???? The only answer is to try and hit nothing but solo home runs, something Hangar has tried to put on him How many Sox games have you been watching lately? QUOTE(G&T @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It would probably help if he had a reason to swing, rather than a reason to take a walk. You mean Thome shouldn't try and hit that 3-0 curve ball way outside to drive the runner in? Why oh why must Thome scare opposing pitchers into throwing him unhittable pitches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Going into the season, I would have gladfully taken Thome. But now I might give the slight edge to Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAWKS Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 05:52 PM) You are the one spinning things by putting everything in RBI's Here are some August OBP% for you: Pods: .284 Iguchi: .310 Thome: .453 Konerko: .383 Dye: .390 Crede: .351 AJ: .265 (!) Uribe: .261 Anderson: .367/Mack .310 !!!!!!!!!!!! In big letters for you since you obviously won't set your bias aside: HOW THE f*** IS THOME SUPPOSE TO GET AN RBI IF NOBODY IS ON BASE???? The only answer is to try and hit nothing but solo home runs, something Hangar has tried to put on him How many Sox games have you been watching lately? You mean Thome shouldn't try and hit that 3-0 curve ball way outside to drive the runner in? Why oh why must Thome scare opposing pitchers into throwing him unhittable pitches? Well, as I've said, one is leading his team to the playoffs and the other is leading his team to a third place finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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