striker Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 I know no one probably wants to hear this but I think that Dye could end up being dealt. His stock is high, we have Sweeney/Fields waiting, and we are probably going to go back to small ball (which leaves power expendable). It would make sense to offer him up in some sort of Crawford or Ichiro deal or some deal to strengthen our starting rotation (both of which were our two weaknesses last year). Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 It had better not happen at all so I am giving it a 0% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 He was one of the best hitters in baseball last season and he's going to make a whole 6 million dollars this season. Not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Small ball does not mean trading away your best offensive weapon from a year ago, small ball is picking up a new LF and/or leadoff man who can actually get on base and bunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 12:16 PM) Smallball=Pitching out your ass Well that's a given, I was talking more in regards to offseason moves that would improve the team's smallballiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 (edited) If you trade a guy based on how high his stock is and not looking at his overall importance to the team is, Michael Jordan would have played with a different team every year. Dye is a huge bargain next season as he has been the last 2. You put him in the line-up everyday in 2007 and see what happens. If the team is in contention you hang on to him, if it becomes apparent he isn't going to sign, and you try to win the WS. If the Sox somehow stumble, and it doesn't appear likely he will stick around, you trade him for some prospects. I've never totally understood trading someone for prospects a full season before their contract runs out. Sure you could lose him and get nothing in return, but you would get a full season with a bargain rate contract with said player. The prospects you get usually turn out to be nothing anyway. A lot of times its a good thing to have a player or 10 on a roster in their contract year. Their performance tends to be a little better than usual. Edited October 22, 2006 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 You trade the career.250 batter who just batted .310 when his stock is high, not the consumate professional who has just been getting better every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 If they trade Dye, I will die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You trade the career.250 batter who just batted .310 when his stock is high, Who are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 06:48 PM) If they trade Dye, I will die. Who's going to be the first person to start a "White Sox should trade Dye" thread now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 As far as "odds" of trading Dye, are about 2-5%. The odds of a team overpaying to get him are about a 90-95%. If Dye wasn't only making 6 mil this comming season, I would definitely trade him, loyal or not, it's a buisness but that's too much of a bargain. If we are out of contention though, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 (edited) The odds of trading Dye are slim to none. Edited October 22, 2006 by whitesox1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 his stock is high, yes, but the career numbers are misleading. he had a run of bad luck and was injured when he was hitting .220 or so. now he's back to form, the same Jermaine Dye that put up MVP-caliber numbers in Oakland. we better be getting a Cy Young quality starters and a good rightfielder in return if he's dealt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirScott Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 03:29 PM) When did he do that?? sorry, that was with Kansas City. Edited October 22, 2006 by AirScott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 03:57 PM) Who's going to be the first person to start a "White Sox should trade Dye" thread now? PERSONAL ATTACK!! jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 (edited) I'm a huge proponent of trading someone while their value is high, but with Dye, it's nearly impossible to compensate his production for his salary. Now, if we had a blue-chip, absolute stud RF emerging within the minors, and our LF/CF positions weren't such question marks, I'd be more than willing to offer Dye. However, I'll be the first to say if we're more than 6 games out of the Wild Card midseason and Dye is producing, he should be shipped elsewhere. I don't care about out history with the White-Flag trade, if we're in a poor position come the All-Star break I'm not betting one second on our team rebounding. Buehrle, if he hasn't already been shipped/signed longterm, should be gone as well. If management refuses to do what's necessary because of the risk attendance may dip, or criticism will begin, they deserve to terminate themselves. Next season is absolutely crucial to our teams long-term status. If we're not competing with this division, with these pieces, 2008 won't be much different. Neither will 2009, 2010, etc. It will be time to blow it up and officially close this "window of opportunity." With FA compensation out of the picture, it should serve as a warning to GM's to make intelligent decisions concerning their ballclub. You can no longer keep fan favorites, give some bulls*** quote about "believing in your team"-- even when you dont, only to watch valuable players leave via FA without compensation. Absolutely can't; especially with Detroit and Minnesota seemingly growing stronger. Edited October 22, 2006 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 07:31 PM) Who are you talking about? Not anybody, at least on the current Sox. (Actually, Rowand sorta fit that descriptionlast year) Just stating that I believe THAT is the type of player you trade when value is high. That, or a guy who you know will not be back no matter what. NOTsomeone like Dye, who is consistent and getting better. Edited October 22, 2006 by EvilMonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 I just keep coming back to this one, simple fact. White Sox Free Agents after: 2007 Jermaine Dye Tadahito Iguchi Mark Buehrle Freddy Garcia 2008 Juan Uribe (Option for 08) Javier Vazquez Jon Garland Joe Crede Jim Thome ($14 mil option for 09) And there are a few more on there. Thornton and MMac hit FA at some point, I just don't know exactly where. The point is this: our team has a boat load of players hitting Free Agency in the next 2 years, including 4/5 of our current starting rotation, our DH, our entire infield save Konerko. We just do not have the players in our minor leagues right now to replace all of them, nor do we have the money to do so. Jermaine Dye is in his walk year. It would be nice to sign him to a contract extension, but he is getting up there in years, he is coming off a career year, and he's just as valuable to someone else as he is to us. Every time one of these threads comes up, be it about Crede, Dye, Iguchi any of the starting pitchers...yes, the best option would be for us to hold onto all of them forever and have them never drop off, but that's just not going to happen. We can not afford to simply have these guys all hit Free Agency and walk for next to nothing, and we can't afford to resign all of them. Holding on to all of them is just asking for a collapse in 2008. BMac and BA can't do everything. At some point, we have to deal someone, probably at least 2 or 3 of these guys, for some youth in order to free up salary space and fill in holes. It's either that, or in 2008, we find ourselves paying $100 million and having half our team filled with AAA players. For an example of what that looks like, take a look at the 2006 Chicago Cubs. I don't know if it should be Dye, Crede, 3/5 of our starting pitchers, or what. But we need to move some of these guys and get younger, and we can not let talent like these guys have walk as free agents because we hesitate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 05:46 PM) I just keep coming back to this one, simple fact. White Sox Free Agents after: 2007 Jermaine Dye Tadahito Iguchi Mark Buehrle Freddy Garcia 2008 Juan Uribe (Option for 08) Javier Vazquez Jon Garland Joe Crede Jim Thome ($14 mil option for 09) And there are a few more on there. Thornton and MMac hit FA at some point, I just don't know exactly where. The point is this: our team has a boat load of players hitting Free Agency in the next 2 years, including 4/5 of our current starting rotation, our DH, our entire infield save Konerko. We just do not have the players in our minor leagues right now to replace all of them, nor do we have the money to do so. Jermaine Dye is in his walk year. It would be nice to sign him to a contract extension, but he is getting up there in years, he is coming off a career year, and he's just as valuable to someone else as he is to us. Every time one of these threads comes up, be it about Crede, Dye, Iguchi any of the starting pitchers...yes, the best option would be for us to hold onto all of them forever and have them never drop off, but that's just not going to happen. We can not afford to simply have these guys all hit Free Agency and walk for next to nothing, and we can't afford to resign all of them. Holding on to all of them is just asking for a collapse in 2008. BMac and BA can't do everything. At some point, we have to deal someone, probably at least 2 or 3 of these guys, for some youth in order to free up salary space and fill in holes. It's either that, or in 2008, we find ourselves paying $100 million and having half our team filled with AAA players. For an example of what that looks like, take a look at the 2006 Chicago Cubs. I don't know if it should be Dye, Crede, 3/5 of our starting pitchers, or what. But we need to move some of these guys and get younger, and we can not let talent like these guys have walk as free agents because we hesitate. Balta, you nailed it.. Some of these player will be gone .. Allegiances are gone in the offseason. Our payroll will probably go up. We are going to have to give up something to get something. Can't rely on AAA players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 can't trade your best outfielder who is making $6 million when you have nothing but ????????????? in the other outfield spots. But I'd love to see the Sox bring ARow back. He's the guy we missed in the clubhouse and dugout most, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcollapse Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 05:46 PM) ... I don't know if it should be Dye, Crede, 3/5 of our starting pitchers, or what. But we need to move some of these guys and get younger, and we can not let talent like these guys have walk as free agents because we hesitate. you are right, and i don't think kenny will be one to hesitate. i have little doubt the front office in chicago on the southside has a pretty good idea of what they are doing in the future. i don't think kenny will just sit by and let us get old and expensive like the yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 JDINAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 05:10 PM) can't trade your best outfielder who is making $6 million when you have nothing but ????????????? in the other outfield spots. But I'd love to see the Sox bring ARow back. He's the guy we missed in the clubhouse and dugout most, in my opinion. Let this be a lesson to you, doctor, perhaps the most valuable one I can ever teach you: Sentiment is the greatest weakness of all.-Elim Garak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 06:48 PM) If they trade Dye, I will dye. i'm posting so hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmbjeff Posted October 23, 2006 Share Posted October 23, 2006 If you could trade Dye for Carl Crawford, would that be something you might be interesed in? Sincerely, Bob Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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