fathom Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 And to think some people on here actually want this cancer on the Sox. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...L&type=news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Too bad these guys won't get blacklisted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 09:21 AM) I wonder if there's 100 pct correlation between guys who have been busted for corking their bats and guys who took steroids. In all seriousness, if a person lacks the moral compass to stop them from cheating in one form, why would they have the moral compass not to cheat in another form? It doesn't surprise me at all that juicers would also cork bats, or cheat in any other way they could think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 i know one thing, Jose Guillen has killed the Sox every chance he has gotten. Coop doesnt know how to pitch to juicers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 07:07 AM) Too bad these guys won't get blacklisted... I'd love to say that Selig will take some steps when the Mitchell report comes out and names names. I just don't have enough confidence to say that for sure though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 11:03 AM) I'd love to say that Selig will take some steps when the Mitchell report comes out and names names. I just don't have enough confidence to say that for sure though. Selig needs to go. We need a new Kennesaw Mountain Landis-type character at this stage. Someone not afraid to kick a few asses. Here is a question - how does Selig lose his job? Can the owners fire him with a majority or something? How does that even work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 11:07 AM) Selig needs to go. We need a new Kennesaw Mountain Landis-type character at this stage. Someone not afraid to kick a few asses. Here is a question - how does Selig lose his job? Can the owners fire him with a majority or something? How does that even work? Theoretically 3/4s of the owners could vote him out. In reality, Selig is one of the owners own, and there is no chance he leaves before he wants to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 11:07 AM) Selig needs to go. We need a new Kennesaw Mountain Landis-type character at this stage. Someone not afraid to kick a few asses. Here is a question - how does Selig lose his job? Can the owners fire him with a majority or something? How does that even work? It would take 3/4s of owners voting to remove him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Once a douche always a douche... Still have man love for jose guillen jason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Baseball needs an independent commissioner, just like the other sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 For now I'll just stick this in this thread: Twenty months into his investigation of steroid use in Major League Baseball, former Sen. George Mitchell for the first time has obtained voluntary cooperation from an active player. According to a source familiar with the investigation, the player, whom the source did not name, volunteered to speak with Mitchell in the coming weeks, ending the wall of silence Mitchell had encountered in trying to get active players to cooperate without the leverage of subpoena power. The source described the player as one of several players Mitchell wanted to question because of their previous public comments opposing steroid use, not because the player was connected to any steroid use of his own. The source said the interview with the player was scheduled to take place "very soon." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I wonder how many A's from that time frame were on the stuff. There are so many connections with them from the early days of McGwire and Canseco, to Giambi, Tejada, etc, and now Guillen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 QUOTE(RME JICO @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 08:45 PM) I wonder how many A's from that time frame were on the stuff. There are so many connections with them from the early days of McGwire and Canseco, to Giambi, Tejada, etc, and now Guillen. A lot of Giants too. Williams, Bonds, Kent...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Oh my, Schilling? That's my first reaction, and while I love me some Schilling, I have always said he should man up and name some names if he really is opposed. Maybe it'll be Frank Thomas? Doubt it. We'll have to wait and see but that's very, very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 09:05 PM) Maybe it'll be Frank Thomas? Doubt it. What? EDIT: My bad, I didn't really read the article and I just thought you were suspecting Frank out of nowhere haha. My apologies. Edited November 7, 2007 by WHarris1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 07:05 PM) Oh my, Schilling? That's my first reaction, and while I love me some Schilling, I have always said he should man up and name some names if he really is opposed. Maybe it'll be Frank Thomas? Doubt it. We'll have to wait and see but that's very, very interesting. At least from the description gave, it does sound like Thomas...person not suspected of juicing but outspoken on the issue. Probably wouldn't surprise me at all if Mitchell wanted to know if Thomas would pass along anything he'd heard back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 (edited) I'd bet the ranch that the current player talking to Mitchell is Frank Thomas. And Matt Williams, next to Brady Anderson and obviously Bonds and Sosa, was THE most obvious juicer, so this is no surprise. Edited November 7, 2007 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 10:39 PM) And Matt Williams, next to Brady Anderson and obviously Bonds and Sosa, was THE most obvious juicer, so this is no surprise. Matt Williams used to be on a radio show here in Phoenix quite a bit a couple of years ago (once a week, I think, for a couple hours), and he was a typical apologist for the players regarding steroid use. His general stance was that he didn't really know of anyone who used, didn't condone it, didn't think it would help you hit a 95mph fastball, Barry Bonds worked harder than anyone, etc. Rob Dibble used to say the same stuff when he was on the Dan Patrick show a few years ago. The whole thing about steroids not helping you hit the ball is such double talk. Nobody says that it does help you hit the ball (though I've seen and heard reports that HGH improves eyesight and hand/eye coordination). Steroids - and similar strength enhancers - give you added strength. So, the ball, when hit, goes farther. Say, for instance, taking steroids increased your power, and the ball, when hit, traveled 5% farther as a result of the added strength. Now, instead of having an easy 390 flyout to center field, the ball travels 410 feet. Is it unreasonable to think that's what happens when a player is "juiced?" An easy flyout becomes a homerun. Just use Barry Bonds as an example. Before 2001, he hit something like 3 HRs more than 450ft in his career. From 2001 on he's hit about 30 HRs more than 450ft. Coincidently, he has morphed from 200lb to 250lbs in that time. Edited November 10, 2007 by Middle Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I bet Juan Uribe has had his fair share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 QUOTE(Middle Buffalo @ Nov 9, 2007 -> 11:00 PM) The whole thing about steroids not helping you hit the ball is such double talk. Nobody says that it does help you hit the ball (though I've seen and heard reports that HGH improves eyesight and hand/eye coordination). Steroids - and similar strength enhancers - give you added strength. So, the ball, when hit, goes farther. Say, for instance, taking steroids increased your power, and the ball, when hit, traveled 5% farther as a result of the added strength. Now, instead of having an easy 390 flyout to center field, the ball travels 410 feet. Is it unreasonable to think that's what happens when a player is "juiced?" An easy flyout becomes a homerun. Just use Barry Bonds as an example. Before 2001, he hit something like 3 HRs more than 450ft in his career. From 2001 on he's hit about 30 HRs more than 450ft. Coincidently, he has morphed from 200lb to 250lbs in that time. One of the biggest benefits for these guys who play 162 games a year is that the drugs help with your recovery time. I dont know if you or anyone has ever played in a very strenuous schedule like these guys do, but your body gets extremely sore, you get very simple injuries that linger, and you lose strength and stamina throughout each long stretch. Some steroids and HGH will help your body recover from the injuries faster and will keep your body in tune better. Hence some very consistently good seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Well, if steroids make you stronger, and thus help increase your bat speed, are you then not going to make more contact? They are going to help you hit a baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 QUOTE(Markbilliards @ Nov 9, 2007 -> 11:55 PM) I bet Juan Uribe has had his fair share. You mean twinkies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Yes twinkies also, I bet he injected his steroids right into his huge fanny. Helps him stick his butt out when he bats and also make poops at a rapid inhuman rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Markbilliards @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 06:55 PM) Yes twinkies also, I bet he injected his steroids right into his huge fanny. Helps him stick his butt out when he bats and also make poops at a rapid inhuman rate. Edited November 12, 2007 by Gregory Pratt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 steroids are underrated. now that being said, Jose Guillen sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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