ThunderBolt Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:26 PM) Jeff Passan's trade deadline winners and losers (guess who was one of the losers?):http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-tradewinnerslosers073110 I can't argue with any of that. We failed to address our most pressing need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:45 PM) I can't argue with any of that. We failed to address our most pressing need. Jeff Passan is the s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsgdf_2 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 08:20 PM) I don't understand why he wouldn't pitch on Tuesday. To give Coop an extra couple of days to fix him... duh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 The Edwin Jackson trade was ridiculous. Kenny totally got hosed on this deal. Right now, Jackson is no better than Hudson. Maybe Coop will make him better but how long will that take? Atleast a few starts, maybe not till next season. And, then he's gone after that! Boras takes him someplace else. Besides, he costs 8 1/2 mil. for next year vs. Hudson 1/2 mil. and they'd have Hudson for many years on the cheap. Then, he includes a top lefty pitching prospect in Holmberg, too! This, like the Peavy and Pierre deals. Not only do you take on risky talent, but pay them big salaries AND trade away a bunch of young talent! What's worse is that in none of these deals were there serious competition for these players. Who was beating down the door to get Juan Pierre and Edwin Jackson ? San Diego was dying to get rid of Peavy's salary. And, there went 8 solid pitching prospects ! Yes, 8. 8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 07:15 AM) The Edwin Jackson trade was ridiculous. Kenny totally got hosed on this deal. Right now, Jackson is no better than Hudson. Maybe Coop will make him better but how long will that take? Atleast a few starts, maybe not till next season. And, then he's gone after that! Boras takes him someplace else. Besides, he costs 8 1/2 mil. for next year vs. Hudson 1/2 mil. and they'd have Hudson for many years on the cheap. Then, he includes a top lefty pitching prospect in Holmberg, too! This, like the Peavy and Pierre deals. Not only do you take on risky talent, but pay them big salaries AND trade away a bunch of young talent! What's worse is that in none of these deals were there serious competition for these players. Who was beating down the door to get Juan Pierre and Edwin Jackson ? San Diego was dying to get rid of Peavy's salary. And, there went 8 solid pitching prospects ! Yes, 8. 8! jeeze,hopefully jackson can replace those solid 4ip,5er outings hudson had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkjt Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 07:54 AM) jeeze,hopefully jackson can replace those solid 4ip,5er outings hudson had Exactly. Hudson is 2-2 lifetime with an ERA of 4.72 vs teams that the Sox need to beat to win the division. Contrast that with Jacksons last three years: vs AL teams we need to beat to win the division ....28-13 ERA 3.81 vs the Sox .... 2-5 ERA 7.11 vs the NL ....3-12 ERA 5.95 What does that tell us? I think it confirms the conventional wisdom: - Jackson has lites out hard stuff( rated the #4 average fastball velocity in mlb by fangraphs) - The Sox kill hard stuff, yet struggle with crafty funky slow pitchers,especially leftys - The NL is a fastball hitting league. - In the AL power pitchers flourish. If he throws strikes,he will help the Sox the next 1.33 seasons. If he pitches to form vs the AL teams the rest of the way, he will win 6-7 games down the stretch. If he does that, I am happy with this trade. In sept and oct,power pitchers rule...we got a top 4 power pitcher in terms of velocity alone,behind only Jiminez,Verlander and Jock Johnson. ...we also have had success vs Verlander. Sox are like a NL team...we love fastballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 07:54 AM) jeeze,hopefully jackson can replace those solid 4ip,5er outings hudson had Hudson's line today (so far).... 7 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K He is also 1/3 at the plate with 2 RBI. Edited August 1, 2010 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 08:54 AM) jeeze,hopefully jackson can replace those solid 4ip,5er outings hudson had Dan Hudson is making his 6th career start today. It was to small a sample size to ever write him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 02:38 PM) Dan Hudson is making his 6th career start today. It was to small a sample size to ever write him off. Nah, we already had a soxtalk thread writing him off after his last start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Hawk09 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 09:37 AM) Exactly. Hudson is 2-2 lifetime with an ERA of 4.72 vs teams that the Sox need to beat to win the division. Contrast that with Jacksons last three years: vs AL teams we need to beat to win the division ....28-13 ERA 3.81 vs the Sox .... 2-5 ERA 7.11 vs the NL ....3-12 ERA 5.95 What does that tell us? I think it confirms the conventional wisdom: - Jackson has lites out hard stuff( rated the #4 average fastball velocity in mlb by fangraphs) - The Sox kill hard stuff, yet struggle with crafty funky slow pitchers,especially leftys - The NL is a fastball hitting league. - In the AL power pitchers flourish. If he throws strikes,he will help the Sox the next 1.33 seasons. If he pitches to form vs the AL teams the rest of the way, he will win 6-7 games down the stretch. If he does that, I am happy with this trade. In sept and oct,power pitchers rule...we got a top 4 power pitcher in terms of velocity alone,behind only Jiminez,Verlander and Jock Johnson. ...we also have had success vs Verlander. Sox are like a NL team...we love fastballs. And the American League isn't? Some of the best power pitchers are in the NL (Jimenez, Strasburg). According to pitch value, the worst five teams at hitting fastballs are all in the National League. Saying Jackson switching back to the AL is a good thing for him isn't exactly true. It's usually never good to go back to a tougher league. If anything, Jackson is the same pitcher this year that he was last year, based on his peripherals. Edited August 1, 2010 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Hudson's first start with Diamondbacks.... W, 8 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K 1/4 at the plate with 2 RBI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 See, Ozzie just wanted to improve Thornton's inherited runners stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 03:01 PM) Hudson's first start with Diamondbacks.... W, 8 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K 1/4 at the plate with 2 RBI. I am jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 04:03 PM) See, Ozzie just wanted to improve Thornton's inherited runners stats. (you're not in the game thread). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 09:06 PM) (you're not in the game thread). Ugh, I do that once every 60k posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 04:09 PM) Ugh, I do that once every 60k posts A lot better than my ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) See, Ozzie just wanted to improve Thornton's inherited runners stats. He also improved Putz's inherited runner stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 I wonder if we see Sale called up after Torres goes down ( should he Torres even come up Tuesday ) Speculation based on speculation ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (hi8is @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 03:11 PM) I wonder if we see Sale called up after Torres goes down ( should he Torres even come up Tuesday ) Speculation based on speculation ha! Who goes down for Torres? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 06:52 PM) Who goes down for Torres? Torres up. Viciedo down. Torres down. Teahen activated. Edited August 1, 2010 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 06:55 PM) Torres up. Viciedo down. Torres down. Teahen activated. It would probably be Lillibridge that goes down since his option has already been used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 07:57 PM) It would probably be Lillibridge that goes down since his option has already been used. Viciedo's had an option used as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 06:58 PM) Viciedo's had an option used as well. I still think Lillibridge will end up going down since Viciedo gets a lot more playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 07:59 PM) I still think Lillibridge will end up going down since Viciedo gets a lot more playing time. I think both will, one goes for Torres, one goes for Teahen. You can't call a guy back up for 10 days after he's sent down, so unless there's someone else in AAA we'd callup, Torres will hang around for about 10 days after his start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2010 -> 07:00 PM) I think both will, one goes for Torres, one goes for Teahen. You can't call a guy back up for 10 days after he's sent down, so unless there's someone else in AAA we'd callup, Torres will hang around for about 10 days after his start. No, Torres wil be gone after his start. They don't need 13 pitchers. Teahen will be back on Wednesday, I would think. Edited August 2, 2010 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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