flavum Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Bryce Harper hit a homer. The Sox prospects are sitting today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Anthony Carter finally got roughed up including a double to Harper, but struck out 2 more. Harper is at .353. He just turned 18. I think he's on the Nats before his 20th birthday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Good game for Escobar. 4-5, 2 doubles and a triple. He did make his 6th error though. Anthony Carter pitched a scoreless inning. Escobar, Carter, and Mitchell will be playing in the Rising Stars Game, Saturday night on MLBN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Escobar is having a stud fall. Hopefully it turns into some trade value. I'm a believer in him, but we are just better and still young throughout the infield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 06:04 PM) I'm a believer in him, but we are just better and still young throughout the infield. Well it's not like Alexei is a baby. We'll see in time. I know you love Eduardo though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 06:56 PM) Well it's not like Alexei is a baby. We'll see in time. I know you love Eduardo though. What do you think Alexei's arbitration numbers are going to look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 09:48 PM) What do you think Alexei's arbitration numbers are going to look like? Depends on the season he has next year, but if it's similar, I would guess around $4-5 mill. The next year he will be due about $6-7 mill, and then beyond that he's a free agent. That's what makes Escobar all the more likely to be traded. Ramirez is the closest infielder the Sox have to being a free agent, and he's 3 years away. That is a time where dealing from a position of strength absolutely makes sense. Assuming Williams finds someone who values Escobar, I don't think there is any chance he is in the White Sox organization next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 12:03 AM) Depends on the season he has next year, but if it's similar, I would guess around $4-5 mill. The next year he will be due about $6-7 mill, and then beyond that he's a free agent. That's what makes Escobar all the more likely to be traded. Ramirez is the closest infielder the Sox have to being a free agent, and he's 3 years away. That is a time where dealing from a position of strength absolutely makes sense. Assuming Williams finds someone who values Escobar, I don't think there is any chance he is in the White Sox organization next year. Now is absolutely the time to trade Escobar if only because Saladino probably passes him sometime next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 12:33 PM) Now is absolutely the time to trade Escobar if only because Saladino probably passes him sometime next season. No it's really not. He doesn't hold a whole lot of value at the moment and a nice run in the AFL won't do much to change that. Now, he continues improving with the bat at AA next year and earns a promo to AAA then maybe he will have enough trade value to ship him off for something we need. But as it stands now, his potential value to the Sox is greater than what we could realistically expect in return for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 12:46 PM) No it's really not. He doesn't hold a whole lot of value at the moment and a nice run in the AFL won't do much to change that. Now, he continues improving with the bat at AA next year and earns a promo to AAA then maybe he will have enough trade value to ship him off for something we need. But as it stands now, his potential value to the Sox is greater than what we could realistically expect in return for him. Strongly agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 10:46 AM) No it's really not. He doesn't hold a whole lot of value at the moment and a nice run in the AFL won't do much to change that. Unless you're Kenny Williams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Wanne @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 02:02 PM) Unless you're Kenny Williams... And why does he do that? Because KW keeps finding legitimate value by stealing guys who perform well in the AFL. It has actually been a successful strategy. If he didn't have him already...Escobar is the kind of guy KW might try to steal as a throw-in in some deal because he had a good year in the AFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 01:05 PM) And why does he do that? Because KW keeps finding legitimate value by stealing guys who perform well in the AFL. It has actually been a successful strategy. If he didn't have him already...Escobar is the kind of guy KW might try to steal as a throw-in in some deal because he had a good year in the AFL. Tyler Flowers? Whoops. I'm not saying it's a bad strategy, but it hasn't been overwhelmingly positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 03:05 PM) Tyler Flowers? Whoops. I'm not saying it's a bad strategy, but it hasn't been overwhelmingly positive. True...not overwhelmingly...but there's never going to be a 100% successful strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 02:05 PM) Tyler Flowers? Whoops. I'm not saying it's a bad strategy, but it hasn't been overwhelmingly positive. Weren't Danks and Masset guys he found in AFL? Not that Nick worked out for us, but he has some big value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 03:30 PM) Weren't Danks and Masset guys he found in AFL? Not that Nick worked out for us, but he has some big value. I don't know about D1, but that's definitely where Kenny decided to go after Floyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 I would totally trade Escobar if some GM asked about him. It's like a reverse Flowers. If Escobar's bad bat gets exposed even more next season his value becomes toast. I see your point that he could develop even further with the bat and increase his value, but I wouldn't gamble that way, especially if another GM now covets him. There's absolutely no right or wrong opinion on that. It's a gamble either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 04:46 PM) I would totally trade Escobar if some GM asked about him. It's like a reverse Flowers. If Escobar's bad bat gets exposed even more next season his value becomes toast. I see your point that he could develop even further with the bat and increase his value, but I wouldn't gamble that way, especially if another GM now covets him. There's absolutely no right or wrong opinion on that. It's a gamble either way. If any GM comes and offers you a major league caliber player for Escobar, of course you move him. That's not the issue here. The issue is more with trading guys from lower levels the second they show promise, if you're not getting a substantial return. For example, if you're trading for a big name guy, and they ask for Escobar as a throw-in/deal sweetener...what do you do then? Do you make the deal rapidly and think you've fleeced them, or do you respond by offering up a pitcher that you think you're never going to need? Lots of deal structures with A-ball guys can work out, but lots can bite you big time. Carlos Santana for Casey Blake was the Dodgers not wanting to give up one of their higher level prospects, so they traded a guy having a good season in high-A ball at age 22 after 2 bad seasons in A ball, got to the playoffs, and then a few years later realized they'd given up one of the top prospects in baseball for him. Then again, the Sox gave up several A-ball guys in the Peavy deal and the Swisher deal, and they're not really missing those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Ultimately I think you are right in that teams probably have little interest in Escobar at the moment. Any GM can look at the same stats we can. All I'm saying is that if some GM has Flowers-like interest in Escobar, there should be no hesitation. We could be looking at his peak value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Escobar went 3-5, triple today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 02:30 PM) Weren't Danks and Masset guys he found in AFL? Not that Nick worked out for us, but he has some big value. Danks was a first round draft pick that had nothing to disprove that from his minor league career at that point, he was part of the Rangers DVD(Diamond, Volquez, Danks) that they thought would be the rotation of the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Williams was also impressed with Jeff Marquez in the AFL. I think his track record for acquiring AFL players is actually pretty bad overall at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 04:29 PM) Escobar went 3-5, triple today. Sexy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 3, 2010 -> 09:50 PM) Williams was also impressed with Jeff Marquez in the AFL. I think his track record for acquiring AFL players is actually pretty bad overall at this point. Marquez got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 4, 2010 -> 07:57 AM) Marquez got hurt. He's been healthy for a while. He's just never been a good prospect and Williams was, at the very least, intrigued by him enough to have him included in the Swisher deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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