May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 30, 2011 -> 06:33 PM) It'd be an odd time to send down Sale so I don't think that's happening. Especially with all the lefties on Boston
May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 30, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) It'd be an odd time to send down Sale so I don't think that's happening. He just pitched the 3 scoreless the other day. They're not going to send him down to work on his stuff now.
May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) Why you say that? Because he just had the worst outing of his career, and insulted the game's best hitter on the field. I sure as hell hope we're not dealing him at the lowest value of his career. Edited May 30, 201114 yr by iamshack
May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ May 30, 2011 -> 07:37 PM) Because he just had the worst outing of his career, and insulted the game's best hitter on the field. I sure as hell hope we're not dealing him at the lowest value of his career. Thing is, I doubt Sunday's start would have any influence on a trade. If they're making a huge move now, the trade has been in the works for a few weeks then. KW and Ozzie hinted at this last week about how after June 1st, they'll be down to a 5 man rotation.
May 30, 201114 yr CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Bruney, marquez up; mcpherson, harrell down 2 minutes ago
May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 30, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Bruney, marquez up; mcpherson, harrell down 2 minutes ago Ahh yes, rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Hope some of you are right and it's an actual trade, though. Edited May 30, 201114 yr by whitesoxfan101
May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 30, 2011 -> 06:52 PM) CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Bruney, marquez up; mcpherson, harrell down 2 minutes ago so when Teahen comes back, is that when a possible trade would take place?
May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 30, 2011 -> 06:53 PM) Ahh yes, rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Hope some of you are right and it's an actual trade, though. It is quite pathetic that Harrell and Marquez are still options to make it to the big league team.
May 30, 201114 yr Sale should go down and start, Bruney takes his spot. Danks to the pen until he figures it out, Marquis takes Harrell's spot. Two of Buehrle, Jackson, and Floyd are dealt. Sale returns in August to the rotation. Peavy, Danks, Humber, Buehrle?, Sale. Pretty good odds that will be your rotation going into 2012.
May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 30, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) Sale should go down and start, Bruney takes his spot. Danks to the pen until he figures it out, Marquis takes Harrell's spot. Two of Buehrle, Jackson, and Floyd are dealt. Sale returns in August to the rotation. Peavy, Danks, Humber, Buehrle?, Sale. Pretty good odds that will be your rotation going into 2012. Trade Buehrle now while he has some value and before he starts to suck again.
May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ May 30, 2011 -> 02:12 PM) Trade Buehrle now while he has some value and before he starts to suck again. seriously.. If anyone needs to go to the bullpen, its Buehrle
May 30, 201114 yr QUOTE (T R U @ May 30, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) seriously.. If anyone needs to go to the bullpen, its Buehrle Yeah that's how we do things here. Punish the guys who succeed.
May 31, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 30, 2011 -> 09:12 PM) Yeah that's how we do things here. Punish the guys who succeed. Yeah, this is the first I've heard that Sox fans are down on Mark. WTF? He's still pretty darn good. And he's a contact pitcher, would be a bad choice for pen.
May 31, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 30, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) Yeah that's how we do things here. Punish the guys who succeed. Yeah, we can just do what a moron would do and send one of Jackson/Humber/Danks to the pen instead and completely destroy the trade value they would have as starting pitchers.. Buehrle: 73.2 IP - 82 H - 19 BB - 35 K - 3.91 ERA Jackson: 68.0 IP - 79 H - 25 BB - 59 K - 4.63 ERA How is that any case that its outrageous to suggest MB should be the one to go to the pen? Because hes been here 12 years? Theres no point in adding Danks because he is the most likely trade candidate and it would be beyond foolish to put Humber, your best pitcher, into the pen.. Jackson still can have trade value, and he has much better stuff than Buehrle and sorry, but the numbers aren't that much different to suggest that its the wrong move..
May 31, 201114 yr QUOTE (T R U @ May 31, 2011 -> 03:10 AM) Yeah, we can just do what a moron would do and send one of Jackson/Humber/Danks to the pen instead and completely destroy the trade value they would have as starting pitchers.. Buehrle: 73.2 IP - 82 H - 19 BB - 35 K - 3.91 ERA Jackson: 68.0 IP - 79 H - 25 BB - 59 K - 4.63 ERA How is that any case that its outrageous to suggest MB should be the one to go to the pen? Because hes been here 12 years? Theres no point in adding Danks because he is the most likely trade candidate and it would be beyond foolish to put Humber, your best pitcher, into the pen.. Jackson still can have trade value, and he has much better stuff than Buehrle and sorry, but the numbers aren't that much different to suggest that its the wrong move.. Mark is not a relief pitcher; that's why it's so absurd. That just can't happen. He's too established for that. Jackson is the best bet. Though Danks should be put in there ASAP to avoid a 20 loss season and get him some confidence back.
May 31, 201114 yr QUOTE (T R U @ May 30, 2011 -> 09:10 PM) Yeah, we can just do what a moron would do and send one of Jackson/Humber/Danks to the pen instead and completely destroy the trade value they would have as starting pitchers.. Buehrle: 73.2 IP - 82 H - 19 BB - 35 K - 3.91 ERA Jackson: 68.0 IP - 79 H - 25 BB - 59 K - 4.63 ERA How is that any case that its outrageous to suggest MB should be the one to go to the pen? Because hes been here 12 years? Theres no point in adding Danks because he is the most likely trade candidate and it would be beyond foolish to put Humber, your best pitcher, into the pen.. Jackson still can have trade value, and he has much better stuff than Buehrle and sorry, but the numbers aren't that much different to suggest that its the wrong move.. Um...that's a pretty big difference in era there and peripherals don't mean a damn thing with Mark. We know exactly what we're going to get from Buehrle and we know it's going to be a hell of a lot better than what we get from Edwin.
May 31, 201114 yr Carlos Quentin is tied with Paul Konerko and other players for 128th on the all-time HBP list with 83. Juan Pierre is 93rd and AJP is 87th. Quentin and Konerko are tied with Teixeira for 19th on the active player HBP list. Quentin (28), Rickie Weeks (28), and Prince Fielder (27), are the only players in their twenties to be in the top 25 of the active list.
May 31, 201114 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ May 30, 2011 -> 11:02 PM) Mark is not a relief pitcher; that's why it's so absurd. That just can't happen. He's too established for that. Jackson is the best bet. Though Danks should be put in there ASAP to avoid a 20 loss season and get him some confidence back. Its not absurd, and Danks isn't losing 20 games anyway so that's irrelevant.. Your best arms should be the ones you're counting on to give you the most innings and Buehrle is by far the worst arm in the rotation.. QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 31, 2011 -> 12:04 AM) Um...that's a pretty big difference in era there and peripherals don't mean a damn thing with Mark. We know exactly what we're going to get from Buehrle and we know it's going to be a hell of a lot better than what we get from Edwin. Come on Rowand, its not even a full run difference how can you consider that pretty big? And anyways, im not saying that I want Buehrle to go to the pen, I am saying that IF they even eventually do that I would prefer that it be Mark who goes..
May 31, 201114 yr Author QUOTE (T R U @ May 31, 2011 -> 01:27 AM) Its not absurd, and Danks isn't losing 20 games anyway so that's irrelevant.. Your best arms should be the ones you're counting on to give you the most innings and Buehrle is by far the worst arm in the rotation.. "Best arms" don't mean a thing in baseball. This isn't arm wrestling... Getting guys out is what matters, and Mark still does that better than Edwin does. He also usually gives you the most innings.
May 31, 201114 yr Taking Buehrle out of the rotation would be pretty absurd. For starters he is probably your second or third best pitcher right now out of 6. Who the f*** cares about trade value when you know damn well none of these guys will be traded put lets just assume that you do. Jackson has dismal trade value anyway, Danks would have gotten you a nice hall but with this start to his season, who knows. Mark to the pen does nothing but make this team worse. .
May 31, 201114 yr QUOTE (T R U @ May 31, 2011 -> 02:27 AM) Its not absurd, and Danks isn't losing 20 games anyway so that's irrelevant.. Your best arms should be the ones you're counting on to give you the most innings and Buehrle is by far the worst arm in the rotation.. I consider the best arms to be the ones that give me the best results. To say Mark Buehrle is our worst starter completely ignores production and statistics. Buehrle has a 3.91 era and a 1.37 WHIP vs Edwin Jackson's 4.63 and 1.56 respectively, or John Danks' 5.25 and 1.51. Your post could not be more inaccurate.
May 31, 201114 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 30, 2011 -> 09:12 PM) Yeah that's how we do things here. Punish the guys who succeed. Some of the comments about our players truly amaze me. Buerhle is probably the one guy you want out there with the last game of the season meaning a pennant or not. Balta is right on with this comment Edited May 31, 201114 yr by elrockinMT
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