Balta1701 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 09:37 PM) With Sale going in as a starter that guarantees the Sox must have 6 starters for the year. Sale has never pitched more more than 120 innings in a season and that took place 2 years ago. This year he pitched 71 innings. At most, Sale should pitch between 120-150 innings for next year. Anything more than that is a guarantee arm/shoulder injury waiting to happen. Oh-I forgot we need 7 starters-we still have Peavy. If we want to compete, Zach Stewart should be the 6th starter and should start the year at AAA. If we trade off more starters, then I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 08:02 PM) The way you do a quick rebuild is by dealing a player with value. Santos has value. This isn't fantasy baseball. Trading a player immediately after signing an extension would be bad business. It would definitely have an impact our ability to extend guys in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) This isn't fantasy baseball. Trading a player immediately after signing an extension would be bad business. It would definitely have an impact our ability to extend guys in the future. Â Trading a player a second time (Gio Gonzalez) after promising he wasn't going anywhere isn't good for business, either. Good god damn KW sucks. I'd rather have marty be the GM sometimes. Edited November 16, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 08:12 PM) That goes both ways. Yes, the price tag for closers is gross. Making Santos, possibly, a lot more attractive. Look, we're not talking Craig Kimbrel here. Santos is definitely not untouchable. Â Addison Reed is the future closer of this team anyway. But Santos is an arb guy so it doesn't hurt to keep him for a while unless some team(s) offers a solid prospect(s) for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 KenDavidoff Ken Davidoff The #Yankees like the #WhiteSox's John Danks, but aren't sure there's a fit for a trade. #Yankees will keep Banuelos, Betances. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 08:23 AM) KenDavidoff Ken Davidoff The #Yankees like the #WhiteSox's John Danks, but aren't sure there's a fit for a trade. #Yankees will keep Banuelos, Betances. Â Well yeah, if the Yankees will not give up Betances or Banuelos than there is not fit probably. I would take Nova + others for Danks but they probably would not give up Nova either. What are the board's thoughts on potential Yankee hauls for Danks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 06:11 AM) Addison Reed is the future closer of this team anyway. But Santos is an arb guy so it doesn't hurt to keep him for a while unless some team(s) offers a solid prospect(s) for him. I love Addison Reed as much as the next guy but as long as Santos is here, I don't see any reason that he'd lose the closers spot. I guess we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2011 Author Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 09:15 AM) I love Addison Reed as much as the next guy but as long as Santos is here, I don't see any reason that he'd lose the closers spot. I guess we shall see. Â But it is a nice problem to have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) Well yeah, if the Yankees will not give up Betances or Banuelos than there is not fit probably. I would take Nova + others for Danks but they probably would not give up Nova either. What are the board's thoughts on potential Yankee hauls for Danks? Â It's really tough to guage Danks value coming off a subpar year with only 1 year before free agency. One of the Yankees pitchers I liked was Hector Noesi. Right-hander, low 90's, has the look of a middle of the rotation starter. Get the Red Sox involved and Danks value goes up to the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 12:19 PM) It's really tough to guage Danks value coming off a subpar year with only 1 year before free agency. One of the Yankees pitchers I liked was Hector Noesi. Right-hander, low 90's, has the look of a middle of the rotation starter. Get the Red Sox involved and Danks value goes up to the Yankees. Â I like the idea of playing the Sox and Yanks off each other; I guess it'd be foolish not to! Â Does anybody really see us starting 3 lefties next year anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) Well yeah, if the Yankees will not give up Betances or Banuelos than there is not fit probably. I would take Nova + others for Danks but they probably would not give up Nova either. What are the board's thoughts on potential Yankee hauls for Danks? Â Nova is the biggest regression candidate of 2011. His peripherals are bad, all his value is tied up in Wins. I don't want Nova except as a throw-in. Â Noesi, now, would be alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 16, 2011 Share Posted November 16, 2011 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 06:11 AM) Addison Reed is the future closer of this team anyway. But Santos is an arb guy so it doesn't hurt to keep him for a while unless some team(s) offers a solid prospect(s) for him. Â You can't have too many good relievers, we really need to stop thinking about RPs in terms of Closer/Setup/etc., ESPECIALLY because of how ridiculously volatile their performances are from year to year. Very few RPs stay good for more than a couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 if kenny thinks we can compete next year, would a Danks/Rios for Michael Young deal make sense to anyone other than me? Would Texas even take that? Would you even want that? Am I too drunk to be posting?? i mean really 1. De Aza 2. Young 3. PK 4. Dunn 5.CQ 6.Tank 7.AJP 8. Lexi 9. how about a beckham vs. morel spring training showdown...beckham wins young plays 3rd, morel wins young plays 2nd. loser takes over Omars job....If Dunn turns it around thats one helluva lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 16, 2011 -> 11:09 PM) if kenny thinks we can compete next year, would a Danks/Rios for Michael Young deal make sense to anyone other than me? Would Texas even take that? Would you even want that? Am I too drunk to be posting?? i mean really 1. De Aza 2. Young 3. PK 4. Dunn 5.CQ 6.Tank 7.AJP 8. Lexi 9. how about a beckham vs. morel spring training showdown...beckham wins young plays 3rd, morel wins young plays 2nd. loser takes over Omars job....If Dunn turns it around thats one helluva lineup  I can't see the Rangers trading Michael Young right now. He has Mark Buehrle status down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Williams said interest in Sox, particularly pitchers, is strong and that he's not ruling anything out. 'You'd think we were playoff team' Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 ChuckGarfien Chuck Garfien Could Sox move Floyd AND Danks? Kenny Williams: "That hasn’t been decided yet. I’m not ruling anything out."  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I read the Tribune story where it said that KW was trying to retool an underachieving team. OK, I'll buy into that, but then all the trade talk involves trading the achievers and keeping the underachievers. I am sorry but now I am lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 11:50 AM) I read the Tribune story where it said that KW was trying to retool an underachieving team. OK, I'll buy into that, but then all the trade talk involves trading the achievers and keeping the underachievers. I am sorry but now I am lost. Â No one is going to trade for Dunn, Rios, and Peavy right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 08:32 AM) I can't see the Rangers trading Michael Young right now. He has Mark Buehrle status down there. They tried last year though, just to clear that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:26 PM) They tried last year though, just to clear that contract. Â This year is a bit different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) This year is a bit different. How so? They got to the WS with contributions from Young both years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 12:29 PM) How so? They got to the WS with contributions from Young both years. Â Did you see the year he had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 05:53 PM) No one is going to trade for Dunn, Rios, and Peavy right now. Â Â That's why we will be underachievers again, but retooling - again. You don't know if someone will take them until you try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) That's why we will be underachievers again, but retooling - again. You don't know if someone will take them until you try The best way to get someone to take them is to have them come out next year and get off to good starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 17, 2011 -> 01:25 PM) That's why we will be underachievers again, but retooling - again. You don't know if someone will take them until you try  You have to be at least a middle-aged man. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how you still can't get how this works. You're not a pre-teen playing Xbox. In real life, teams don't take Adam Dunn after batting .159 for an entire season with three years and $42 million remaining on his contract just because you turn off the intelligent trade option. I seriously don't get how you constantly say things as simple (not as in "easy to understand", but rather "moronic") as this. Edited November 17, 2011 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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