greg775 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 01:24 PM) Ozzie was great when I was 13 and less of an ass. But since then he's become a clubhouse cancer (as a manager, that is not a good thing) and his interviews lack any semblance of professionalism or class. That's not likable, that's detestable. He's not the White Sox manager anymore so I hold no loyalty to Ozzie, in sports you root for the laundry. So now that he's gone and I'm almost out of my teenage years it is incredibly easy to see what an arrogant, self-righteous prick that Ozzie Guillen is. The interview I watched after last night's game was great. He was calm and professional. I guess after that, he decided to rant on the pitchers. Big deal. Don't you Ozzie haters see you have sold your souls to modern sports cliches. You love the manager (when winning), then tire of the manager because he's old news, been around too long. Unless the team keeps winning divisions you tire of him and want him gone even though he's young and as good a manager as anybody out there. You fail to realize the players are the ones actually playing and also responsible for winning division titles. You sell out to the dreaded sports cliche and are no longer loyal to the guy who gave you THE ULTIMATE THRILL as a baseball fan. A WS title. And if anybody could have engineered a postseason run as Oz did, then why the hell has it happened once in 90 years or whatever the string is. Cubs still haven't done it. OZZIE ROCKS!!!! QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 03:33 PM) I'm still waiting for an answer on how "it's obvious" that Miami will make the playoffs. It was for the reasons posted above my response. Yes Miami will get in. Hopefully it's destiny we meet them in the WS and beat them. Edited July 4, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Carlos Lee joins Ozzie. Should be interesting Edited July 4, 2012 by SOXOBAMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) The interview I watched after last night's game was great. He was calm and professional. I guess after that, he decided to rant on the pitchers. Big deal. Don't you Ozzie haters see you have sold your souls to modern sports cliches. You love the manager (when winning), then tire of the manager because he's old news, been around too long. Unless the team keeps winning divisions you tire of him and want him gone even though he's young and as good a manager as anybody out there. You fail to realize the players are the ones actually playing and also responsible for winning division titles. You sell out to the dreaded sports cliche and are no longer loyal to the guy who gave you THE ULTIMATE THRILL as a baseball fan. A WS title. And if anybody could have engineered a postseason run as Oz did, then why the hell has it happened once in 90 years or whatever the string is. Cubs still haven't done it. OZZIE ROCKS!!!! It was for the reasons posted above my response. Yes Miami will get in. Hopefully it's destiny we meet them in the WS and beat them. I tired of the manager when it became obvious he wasn't about the White Sox. He was about himself, his dopey sons and his bank account. Now the guy who supposedly ran CLee out of town picks his 50 lb. heavier 8 year old ass up. It will be interesting to see if Ozzie's comments match the comments he made previously. I don't have a problem with guys going to the highest bidder. The problem I have is once you're with them you should be doing your best to assure they do their best. He failed miserably, and the team you claimed he would lead to multiple championships isn't even .500. Edited July 4, 2012 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 04:33 PM) Carlos Lee joins Ozzie. Should be interesting Didn't Ozzie push kw to get him out of Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 05:22 PM) Didn't Ozzie push kw to get him out of Chicago? More ammo for greg. And this is actually legitimate ammo. Says no to the Dodgers; yes to the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 05:29 PM) More ammo for greg. And this is actually legitimate ammo. Says no to the Dodgers; yes to the Marlins. He had no say in the Marlins trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 05:30 PM) He had no say in the Marlins trade. Oh, really? I thought Lee had full veto power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) Oh, really? I thought Lee had full veto power? Limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 05:34 PM) Limited. Nevermind, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) Oh, really? I thought Lee had full veto power? That's what I thought (5/10 rights?) but then this... @Ken_Rosenthal Source: #Marlins were not on Lee's limited no-trade list. In other words, his approval was NOT needed for the trade. #Astros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) The interview I watched after last night's game was great. He was calm and professional. I guess after that, he decided to rant on the pitchers. Big deal. Don't you Ozzie haters see you have sold your souls to modern sports cliches. You love the manager (when winning), then tire of the manager because he's old news, been around too long. Unless the team keeps winning divisions you tire of him and want him gone even though he's young and as good a manager as anybody out there. You fail to realize the players are the ones actually playing and also responsible for winning division titles. You sell out to the dreaded sports cliche and are no longer loyal to the guy who gave you THE ULTIMATE THRILL as a baseball fan. A WS title. And if anybody could have engineered a postseason run as Oz did, then why the hell has it happened once in 90 years or whatever the string is. Cubs still haven't done it. OZZIE ROCKS!!!! It was for the reasons posted above my response. Yes Miami will get in. Hopefully it's destiny we meet them in the WS and beat them. Then managers are not important and Ozzie is irrelevant to all of the White Sox success in 05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 10:54 PM) Then managers are not important and Ozzie is irrelevant to all of the White Sox success in 05. I said they are "also responsible." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 07:38 PM) I said they are "also responsible." So he's responsible for 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011 then too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 07:38 PM) I said they are "also responsible." Nope. Only players. Heath Bell blew the games, not Ozzie. Players lose the games. GM assembles players, so therefore, Kenny orchestrated '05. No one else. Case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 03:05 AM) So he's responsible for 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011 then too? As are the players and GM and everybody on the "team." I'll never understand the Ozzie hate on here. Makes no sense. Edited July 5, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 10:29 PM) As are the players and GM and everybody on the "team." I'll never understand the Ozzie hate on here. Makes no sense. Nope. Ozzie did nothing those years. Or any other years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 03:30 AM) Nope. Ozzie did nothing those years. Or any other years. It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do. He has one ring and that's more than any other manager in Chicago since 1920 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 10:32 PM) It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do. He has one ring and that's more than any other manager in Chicago since 1920 or so. But he wasn't responsible, so doesn't matter. Only the players matter. Carl Everett > Ozzie Guillen. Everett has more rings as a player in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 You guys are all gluttons for punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 10:44 PM) You guys are all gluttons for punishment. I've had a bad day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Guys, Marlins won today in extras. I think it's because of the loose clubhouse that Hanley keeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) The interview I watched after last night's game was great. He was calm and professional. I guess after that, he decided to rant on the pitchers. Big deal. Don't you Ozzie haters see you have sold your souls to modern sports cliches. You love the manager (when winning), then tire of the manager because he's old news, been around too long. Unless the team keeps winning divisions you tire of him and want him gone even though he's young and as good a manager as anybody out there. You fail to realize the players are the ones actually playing and also responsible for winning division titles. You sell out to the dreaded sports cliche and are no longer loyal to the guy who gave you THE ULTIMATE THRILL as a baseball fan. A WS title. And if anybody could have engineered a postseason run as Oz did, then why the hell has it happened once in 90 years or whatever the string is. Cubs still haven't done it. OZZIE ROCKS!!!! It was for the reasons posted above my response. Yes Miami will get in. Hopefully it's destiny we meet them in the WS and beat them. I don't think people would hate you nearly as much as they do if you didn't come across as so self-assured. There's nothing worse than a moron that thinks he's the only one who knows what's going on. Edited July 5, 2012 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 10:45 PM) Guys, Marlins won today in extras. I think it's because of the loose clubhouse that Hanley keeps. All that time playing Dominoes has really paid off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 06:14 AM) I don't think people would hate you nearly as much as they do if you didn't come across as so self-assured. There's nothing worse than a moron that thinks he's the only one who knows what's going on. Hey this is the world of the anonymous Internet. You either speak forcefully or don't speak at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 12:07 AM) Hey this is the world of the anonymous Internet. You either speak forcefully or don't speak at all. How does that explain the success of Ventura? Ozzie speaks to the media, to the public....Ventura choose his words carefully and speak in a way that commands respect from the players and coaches. He's not loud or controversial or charismatic in the way you wish him to be, but it has worked. Let's look at another example of in the Ozzie School, Bobby Valentine. Has his "act" worked in Boston? Not at all. This whole idea of "speaking forcefully" is why our country has become so polarized. There's no reasonable people left. Greg, how many times this season has Robin Ventura thrown anyone under the bus? Greg, how many times has Ozzie thrown his own Marlins' players under the bus this season? Let's see, we have Logan Morrison, Bell, Zambrano, Gaby Sanchez, Bonifacio....the team makes a HUGE comeback in that game two days ago, Bell blows yet another save when that's expressly what he's paid to do, the guy's clearly not in 100% good shape or condition (similar to Jenks his last 2-3 seasons) and it's the whole team's fault, but NOT Bell's? Even Bell has to think that is asinine as the closer. Think its a coincidence that Ventura has been nothing but supportive of every player on the team, most especially Dunn, DeAza, Viciedo, Beckham and even the likes of Morel and Ohman? Edited July 5, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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