LDF Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 01:39 PM) If Kris Bryant was a White Sox prospect, I think there would be a lot of posts here mentioing a clearing some space in the summer of 2035 for his HOF induction. The guy is a great prospect. I was watching Baseball Tonight last night. Surprisingly, they have a lot of people who think the White Sox will win the Central. Pedro Gomez was talking to a scout that pegged Bryant the second coming of Mike Schmidt. Chances are, he is going to be a monster. And I mentioned this in another thread. Schilling was on and said there is no way Sale will pitch April 12th. Then Gomez who reported the White Sox were targeting that day said they do plan to be careful and Cooper said it could be late April before he returns, which lined up perfectly with what Schilling said. Schilling may be an idiot, but he does know how long it takes pitchers to be ready. if he was a sox prospect, the press would not give him the time of day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Javier Baez is most likely going to be sent down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) if he was a sox prospect, the press would not give him the time of day. I dont know, Rodon seems to get a lot of time of a lot of days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 08:39 AM) If Kris Bryant was a White Sox prospect, I think there would be a lot of posts here mentioing a clearing some space in the summer of 2035 for his HOF induction. The guy is a great prospect. I was watching Baseball Tonight last night. Surprisingly, they have a lot of people who think the White Sox will win the Central. Pedro Gomez was talking to a scout that pegged Bryant the second coming of Mike Schmidt. Chances are, he is going to be a monster. And I mentioned this in another thread. Schilling was on and said there is no way Sale will pitch April 12th. Then Gomez who reported the White Sox were targeting that day said they do plan to be careful and Cooper said it could be late April before he returns, which lined up perfectly with what Schilling said. Schilling may be an idiot, but he does know how long it takes pitchers to be ready. There are already posts here saying the exact same thing, I don't think anybody has doubted how good of a prospect he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) I dont know, Rodon seems to get a lot of time of a lot of days foot in mouth for me. good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) There are already posts here saying the exact same thing, I don't think anybody has doubted how good of a prospect he is. oops, i guess i am unoriginal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 07:39 AM) Chances are, he is going to be a monster. Can't disagree, chances are, but will just remind all that we're looking at ST performance here, and a lot of straight fastballs from pitchers getting their "work " in. He's been incredibly impressive at all levels, but the K rate has been borderline, and that's a giant bugaboo for players making a leap to the better-than-ever pitching of MLB. And, before too long, he probably won't be the biggest, tallest, 3B in the history of the game, he'll be playing in the OF, who knows how well? 1000+ OPS for a 22 year old in the PCL is awesome, but it's not Haley's Comet. I think he'll be great. He may only be good. It's not like we haven't seen a hype machine spin out of control a bit in the past, and set an impossible expectation. Edited March 20, 2015 by Stan Bahnsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 10:44 AM) Can't disagree, chances are, but will just remind all that we're looking at ST performance here, and a lot of straight fastballs from pitchers getting their "work " in. He's been incredibly impressive at all levels, but the K rate has been borderline, and that's a giant bugaboo for players making a leap to the better-than-ever pitching of MLB. And, before too long, he probably won't be the biggest, tallest, 3B in the history of the game, he'll be playing in the OF, who knows how well? 1000+ OPS for a 22 year old in the PCL is awesome, but it's not Haley's Comet. I think he'll be great. He may only be good. It's not like we haven't seen a hype machine spin out of control a bit in the past, and set an impossible expectation. As a 22 year old in AA .355/.458/1.160 As a 22 year old in AAA .295/.418/1.036 Spring training this year .435/.500/1.804 We would be going nuts if Kris Bryant did this in a Birmingham and Charlotte and Camelback Ranch. Frank Thomas as a 22 year old in AA .323/.487/1.068 And when you are playing half the time in Iowa the PCL numbers aren't as exhaggerated. Bryant does strikeout too much, but he gets on base. One reason why he is probably a tick or 2 below Frank as a hitter. There is nothing to suggest he is going to be anything but great unfortunately. Edited March 20, 2015 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 11:11 AM) As a 22 year old in AA .355/.458/1.160 As a 22 year old in AAA .295/.418/1.036 Spring training this year .435/.500/1.804 We would be going nuts if Kris Bryant did this in a Birmingham and Charlotte and Camelback Ranch. Frank Thomas as a 22 year old in AA .323/.487/1.068 And when you are playing half the time in Iowa the PCL numbers aren't as exhaggerated. Bryant does strikeout too much, but he gets on base. One reason why he is probably a tick or 2 below Frank as a hitter. There is nothing to suggest he is going to be anything but great unfortunately. Yep, he should be outstanding, but the tiny sample size and not-truly-competitive ST numbers aren't really a part of it for me. I don't think he'll be at 3B for too long, and he's not Schmidt defensively, even if he unexpectedly sticks. Could be every bit of him offensively, or even Jimmy Foxx-good. But maybe not. The hype machine says yes, but the hype machine always says yes. And, ya know, just few years ago, Anthony Rizzo was actually better than Bryant in a similar Iowa stint. They're completely different players, and Rizzo is very good. But, probably not great. Edited March 20, 2015 by Stan Bahnsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) Yep, he should be outstanding, but the tiny sample size and not-truly-competitive ST numbers aren't really a part of it for me. I don't think he'll be at 3B for too long, and he's not Schmidt defensively, even if he unexpectedly sticks. Could be every bit of him offensively, or even Jimmy Foxx-good. But maybe not. The hype machine says yes, but the hype machine always says yes. And, ya know, just few years ago, Anthony Rizzo was actually better than Bryant in a similar Iowa stint. They're completely different players, and Rizzo is very good. But, probably not great. Anthony Rizzo is pretty good. Put up a 5.6 WAR last year as a 24 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) Anthony Rizzo is pretty good. Put up a 5.6 WAR last year as a 24 year old. Yep he is. A good chunk of his WAR comes from his outstanding defense at 1B. I don't think KB will be a plus defender anywhere, but time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) Yep he is. A good chunk of his WAR comes from his outstanding defense at 1B. I don't think KB will be a plus defender anywhere, but time will tell. His OPS was over .900. The only players higher were Victor, Abreu, McCutchen,Stanton,Trout and Joey Bats. The Cubs are going to have a really good offense. It's whether they get the pitching is the question IMO. Edited March 20, 2015 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) His OPS was over .900. The only players higher were Victor, Abreu, McCutchen,Stanton,Trout and Joey Bats. Rizzo has a .794 career OPS over parts of 4 seasons, and has struggled mightily at the dish, at times. Last year, he put it all together and had an outstanding season, mainly on the vast improvement he showed vs. LHP. He's a terrific player. But that was just one season. How many times do I have to say that I think Bryant will be great? I'm just saying there's a reasonable chance he'll be something less. Fleas exist. Edited March 20, 2015 by Stan Bahnsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 01:09 PM) Rizzo has a .794 career OPS over parts of 4 seasons, and has struggled mightily at the dish, at times. Last year, he put it all together and had an outstanding season, mainly on the vast improvement he showed vs. LHP. He's a terrific player. But that was just one season. How many times do I have to say that I think Bryant will be great? I'm just saying there's a reasonable chance he'll be something less. Fleas exist. If I had to guess I think he'll be down a bit in his 2nd season after a great rookie campaign because the strikeouts will catch up with him a bit at some point but he'll adapt after that and the only thing between him and a string of AS games would be injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 08:39 AM) If Kris Bryant was a White Sox prospect, I think there would be a lot of posts here mentioing a clearing some space in the summer of 2035 for his HOF induction. The guy is a great prospect. I was watching Baseball Tonight last night. Surprisingly, they have a lot of people who think the White Sox will win the Central. Pedro Gomez was talking to a scout that pegged Bryant the second coming of Mike Schmidt. Chances are, he is going to be a monster. And I mentioned this in another thread. Schilling was on and said there is no way Sale will pitch April 12th. Then Gomez who reported the White Sox were targeting that day said they do plan to be careful and Cooper said it could be late April before he returns, which lined up perfectly with what Schilling said. Schilling may be an idiot, but he does know how long it takes pitchers to be ready. Did This guy watch Schmidt play? Bryant doesn't appear to handle 3rd base nearly as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) Did This guy watch Schmidt play? Bryant doesn't appear to handle 3rd base nearly as well. I think he meant with the bat. IIRC, Schmidt was a bit of a butcher when he first came up. I am not saying Bryant will turn into a wizard defensively, most likely not, but 3B does seem like one position where many of the great ones were really bad in the minors or when they first came up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 So Lester has a dead arm. I thought the best thing for a dead arm was to pitch through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Mar 20, 2015 -> 03:42 PM) So Lester has a dead arm. I thought the best thing for a dead arm was to pitch through it. How many dead arms have led to T.J. surgery?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Didn't Buehrle go through a short dead arm spell every ST? I'm sure others do but Buehrle stands out in my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 And Bryant homers off of King Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 21, 2015 -> 03:29 PM) And Bryant homers off of King Felix Just once? He's no Brian Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Mar 21, 2015 -> 01:22 PM) How many dead arms have led to T.J. surgery?? not a correlation, if it is truly just a dead arm. everyone goes through the dead arm period. In ST there is no need to pitch through it. They will do side sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 21, 2015 -> 05:05 PM) Just once? He's no Brian Anderson He hit 2 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 http://m.mlb.com/news/article/113942384/mi...y-speak-volumes Bryant story from Baumann/MLB.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 He's going to be a solid outfielder for the Cubs. Exciting time for Chicago baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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