Iwritecode Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 10:13 PM) This proves that Jamie Moyer was the last of the guys able to pitch forever, as well as LaTroy Hawkins. I mean Mark has never been on DL, has that smooth motion and is done at 36? Poor pitchers. Their arms just can't take the stress. 36 is not old compared to some of the dudes of the past. QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 11:47 PM) This is a no brainer. Sign Mark Buehrle. One year and an option at 5.5 mill a year. You changed your mind in less than 2 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 10:21 AM) You changed your mind in less than 2 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 08:20 AM) If Bruce Levine is reporting he's retiring, Buehrle has no choice. One thing I noticed watching the "highlights" of his last start, he certainly hasn't missed too many meals lately. Buehrle is getting really big. Who cares? You don't have to be in supreme shape to be a pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 6, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) And after his agent stopped laughing, what would you say then? He's worth more than that at his age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 01:58 AM) He's worth more than that at his age? $5.5 million is a good bench or decent middle relief pitcher these days not a starter who puts up a sub 4.00 ERA with around 200 innings. According to Fangraphs Buehrle was worth roughly $16.8 million this year. If Buehrle plays another season, which I don't expect, somebody will be willing to give him a 1 year, $10-$12 million contract. If the Sox could move Danks without eating salary I would love to have Buehrle back but you're not going to get him for $5.5 million. Edited October 7, 2015 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 02:58 AM) He's worth more than that at his age? He's worth a one day contract so he could retire as a White Sox and that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Supposedly, Buehrle had 4 cortisone shots into his shoulder this season. Chances are, he's hanging them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 07:53 AM) Supposedly, Buehrle had 4 cortisone shots into his shoulder this season. Chances are, he's hanging them up. Hmmm.. He's probably going to see if he needs surgery this offseason or not. If he does.. might make sense for him just to retire hence the whole "Decision in the offseason" plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 07:53 AM) Supposedly, Buehrle had 4 cortisone shots into his shoulder this season. Chances are, he's hanging them up. Goddamn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) $5.5 million is a good bench or decent middle relief pitcher these days not a starter who puts up a sub 4.00 ERA with around 200 innings. According to Fangraphs Buehrle was worth roughly $16.8 million this year. If Buehrle plays another season, which I don't expect, somebody will be willing to give him a 1 year, $10-$12 million contract. If the Sox could move Danks without eating salary I would love to have Buehrle back but you're not going to get him for $5.5 million. Yes, but the perception now is the new Buehrle is done. He's not even on the playoff roster which is a total slap in the face. I hope the Royals don't give him that deal. I'd hate to see him mow down our lousy lineup 4-6 times a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) Yes, but the perception now is the new Buehrle is done. He's not even on the playoff roster which is a total slap in the face. I hope the Royals don't give him that deal. I'd hate to see him mow down our lousy lineup 4-6 times a year. If he's done he's not getting anything. If he can prove he's healthy he'll get a good deal. He's not on the ALDS roster but we'll see what happens if they make it to the ALCS. In the ALDS you only need 3 starters and right now he's there 4th or 5th. Is it possible for you to enter a single conversation without bringing the Royals up? It's clear that you're obsessed with them. You could have said the Tigers, Twins or Indians but of course you chose the Royals. I'm sure there is a good Royals message board you can go to if you want to talk about your favorite team all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 08:45 PM) Is it possible for you to enter a single conversation without bringing the Royals up? It's clear that you're obsessed with them. You could have said the Tigers, Twins or Indians but of course you chose the Royals. I'm sure there is a good Royals message board you can go to if you want to talk about your favorite team all the time. Whatever. The Royals happen to own the White Sox and I despise losing 80 percent of our games to them every year. Of course you make a good point. Minnie, Cleveland and Detroit own the White Sox as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 03:44 PM) Whatever. The Royals happen to own the White Sox and I despise losing 80 percent of our games to them every year. Of course you make a good point. Minnie, Cleveland and Detroit own the White Sox as well. We certainly do have issues in divisional games, and the Royals have had our number for a few years, but we've gone 18-20 against Detroit the last two seasons (not exactly "ownage" by the Tigers) and we had a winning record against Cleveland this year. The Indians have won the season series against the White Sox all of 1 time since 2008 (granted, they did it in dominating fashion, 17-2!). Edited October 7, 2015 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I suspect he will finally go home to the cardinals if he is indeed not retiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Rank Mark wherever you like on the all time lists. What I believe we all can agree on is his approach to the game, his personality, work ethic, and class was first rate and I'm glad he was a Sox player. Every sport needs guys like Buehrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 MB took the ball every 5th day and gave it his all, but it is time to retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 If Mark Buehrle is not hurt, and genuinely is interested in still pitching, it certainly is not time for him to retire. He pitched well enough to be a 4/5 starter on pretty much any team in the league this past season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) If Mark Buehrle is not hurt, and genuinely is interested in still pitching, it certainly is not time for him to retire. He pitched well enough to be a 4/5 starter on pretty much any team in the league this past season. He's gassed. His arm can't take it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) He's gassed. His arm can't take it anymore. Thanks for the update Dr. Abreu. What did Buehrle say when you gave him this diagnosis? Edited October 8, 2015 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 8, 2015 Author Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 03:51 PM) Thanks for the update Dr. Abreu. What did Buehrle say when you gave him this diagnosis? I'd say the facts that he got 4+ cortisone shots this year and completely faded since August would support my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) Looking through his career states, if you looked up "consistency" in the dictionary he'd be there. Wins, Loses, ERA, IP, BB, SO... just so damn consistent from year to year. 14 straight years with 200 IP, missed 15 by 1.1 IP. Edited October 8, 2015 by HuskyCaucasian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 03:54 PM) I'd say the facts that he got 4+ cortisone shots this year and completely faded since August would support my post. The fact that he pitched through an injury doesn't necessarily mean he is done. He may just need time to recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 8, 2015 -> 03:54 PM) I'd say the facts that he got 4+ cortisone shots this year and completely faded since August would support my post. Or he could have been injured, that doesn't mean he is done and his arm is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 A guy who never spent a day on the DL and still hasn't, had some shoulder problems towards the end of the season and everyone is saying he is done? He had 15 wins and an E.R.A under 4. Mark had 2 bad months. He may retire and he very well may not have nothing left. But it is just as likely that he suffered his first real injury in his career that affected his throwing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 QUOTE (The Gooch @ Oct 9, 2015 -> 10:49 AM) A guy who never spent a day on the DL and still hasn't, had some shoulder problems towards the end of the season and everyone is saying he is done? He had 15 wins and an E.R.A under 4. Mark had 2 bad months. He may retire and he very well may not have nothing left. But it is just as likely that he suffered his first real injury in his career that affected his throwing. Agreed. He'll have the entire offseason now to rest and heal. I'd be very surprised if he wasn't pitching somewhere next year, unless he just doesn't want to do it anymore. Surely some team would want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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