Kyyle23 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 23, 2016 -> 08:46 PM) Fowler was signed. The Cubs traded Luis Valbuena and Dan Straily for Fowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 23, 2016 -> 08:54 PM) The Cubs traded Luis Valbuena and Dan Straily for Fowler They said something about Orioles backing out of the deal for Fowler, not sure which year tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Oct 23, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) They said something about Orioles backing out of the deal for Fowler, not sure which year tho. The Cubs resigned him after last year, yea, but they first acquired him from the Astros and then offered him arbitration after last year, which is part of the reason the Orioles backed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ Oct 23, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) I don't trust them, but if we wait for JR to die and have the team sold for the team to be rebuilt, then it's going to take a long time to get into the postseason. I would rather them get started on the rebuild than be mired in mediocrity and keep acquiring has beens. The Sox don't need to rebuild and can't right now. The Cubs are building an NL dynasty and half the Sox fan base will switch over instead of watching a rebuild. The problem isn't that they need to rebuild. They need to hire people who know what they are doing in the front office and quality coaches with positive previous experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 23, 2016 -> 08:54 PM) The Cubs traded Luis Valbuena and Dan Straily for Fowler http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/1484370...al-chicago-cubs Dexter Fowler is on this team via Free Agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 23, 2016 -> 11:51 PM) http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/1484370...al-chicago-cubs Dexter Fowler is on this team via Free Agency. Yeah, because they offered him a QO and he declined it at first. Then he re-signed after he couldn't get a deal done with Baltimore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 12:27 AM) Yeah, because they offered him a QO and he declined it at first. Then he re-signed after he couldn't get a deal done with Baltimore. Right....therefor he was acquired for this 2016 team as a Free Agent. Where is the all the confusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Because he was originally acquired via trade...and probably would never have fought to come back as a FA had he not already been there first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Fowler is in the second year of Cubs stint. Originally acquired through trade. He was brought in through trade and re-signed. Without being with the Cubs last year, he likely doesn't sign so cheap this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Oct 23, 2016 -> 10:57 PM) The Sox don't need to rebuild and can't right now. The Cubs are building an NL dynasty and half the Sox fan base will switch over instead of watching a rebuild. The problem isn't that they need to rebuild. They need to hire people who know what they are doing in the front office and quality coaches with positive previous experience. I highly doubt that Sox fans would jump ship and go to the Northside. For the record for all of you talking about the Fowler acquisition - my intent was to show that they originally acquired him through a trade. Edited October 24, 2016 by SpankyEaton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 12:31 AM) Right....therefor he was acquired for this 2016 team as a Free Agent. Where is the all the confusion? no confusion, you are just being obtuse because you are Joe. He was acquired via trade, prior to any free agency, and that can be counted as part of the moves that this front office has made in the trade column Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I don't know if Sox ever offered Fowler a contract last off season, but if they had, and if it were accepted, then Sox lose the draft pick that turned out to be Burdi. No question that Fowler would have made the Sox better in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 09:07 AM) What type of acquisition was Paul Konerko to the White Sox? He came to the Sox originally in a trade for Mike Cameron. He resigned as a free agent with them after the 2005 season and then towards the end of his career. Technically he was both a trade acquisition and a free agent signing. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 If it wasn't already pointed out, it doesn't appear KW was out in San Diego last week. It was a false tip given to that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 10:07 AM) What type of acquisition was Paul Konerko to the White Sox? What year? He was acquired via trade until he was an unrestricted Free Agent, then he was acquired via free agency. This is easy stuff. Edited October 24, 2016 by ChiliIrishHammock24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 07:27 AM) no confusion, you are just being obtuse because you are Joe. He was acquired via trade, prior to any free agency, and that can be counted as part of the moves that this front office has made in the trade column It's ok to be wrong, I promise you, it's ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 12:01 PM) If it wasn't already pointed out, it doesn't appear KW was out in San Diego last week. It was a false tip given to that guy. Son of a B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 24, 2016 -> 02:21 PM) You gotta trust Joe on this one Kyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 I think Fowler is making less than he did last year so if angle is that they spent money on him to bring him, its not really true. Got a really good discount on him and paying less on him than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) $9.5 million in 2015, $8 million in 2016, $9 million in 2017 (mutual option, buyout is $5 million but obviously he will decline the guaranteed $9 million and declare for free agency again) The White Sox would have had to bid at least $20-21 million for two years, which still would have been a much better deal than for Melky or Robertson...but he wouldn't have put last year's team over the top, either. It would have taken Fowler and Desmond and at least one bullpen addition for the Albers spot. Edited October 25, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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