SoxAce Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm going 71-72. Team won't be as bad as people think because that's just what the White Sox do. I expect a few of the kids to add to the win total when they're called up. (And that includes whatever spects we get after Q is traded) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'll say 69-93, though it certainly could be worse. Fangraphs depth charts (an incredibly shallow and basic method of prediction) has us last in the majors in WAR, even before veterans are traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 08:55 AM) I don't disagree with you on the rareness of teams losing 100 games, but it does happen. My point is it will happen this year to this team if they don't improve on the brand of baseball they featured the last half of May last year, all of June, all of July, all of August, and all of September. And that improvement must come without the services of Sale and Eaton. It's going to be a challenge! Agreed, especially if they trade Quintana, Frazier and Robertson. They lost 84 last year. If you go by WAR Sale and Eaton were worth 9 wins which puts them at 75 wins. Hopefully, they bring up a few prospects and they perform well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (daggins @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 09:09 AM) I'll say 69-93, though it certainly could be worse. Fangraphs depth charts (an incredibly shallow and basic method of prediction) has us last in the majors in WAR, even before veterans are traded. It's painful on the surface, but that's really good news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 69-93. Sale and Eaton are gone. Avi will be playing in the field. Impending trades. I think the Padres have the #1 pick wrapped up but the Sox should get a top 6 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) 69-93. Sale and Eaton are gone. Avi will be playing in the field. Impending trades. I think the Padres have the #1 pick wrapped up but the Sox should get a top 6 pick. My heart tells me that's an acceptable finish, but my brain knows it could be worse. Just so glad this team is doing the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 71-91. Book it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) I picked 55 to 59 wins. The offense projects to be so bad I'd suggest our road record will be horrific. The starting pitching is not good so we'll lose our share of games very early. And our bullpen reeks so we'll blow 1/3 to 2/3 of the games we lead late. I think it's gonna be one of the worst teams the Sox have ever had. We'll know very early there is no hope of .500. Those of you who want to lose every game should demand we trade Abreu soon. He might win a few games by himself. He's our one good hitter. Trade him and that will take care of any aspect of the team being good. Edited April 1, 2017 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 03:05 PM) I picked 55 to 59 wins. The offense projects to be so bad I'd suggest our road record will be horrific. The starting pitching is not good so we'll lose our share of games very early. And our bullpen reeks so we'll blow 1/3 to 2/3 of the games we lead late. I think it's gonna be one of the worst teams the Sox have ever had. We'll know very early there is no hope of .500. If we lost that many games, our system had better be loaded. And regarding Abreu, if he wins "a couple of games", i'm fine with it. Moncada coming up in May will likely benefit from having Jose around. Edited April 1, 2017 by Sox-35th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 09:05 PM) I picked 55 to 59 wins. The offense projects to be so bad I'd suggest our road record will be horrific. The starting pitching is not good so we'll lose our share of games very early. And our bullpen reeks so we'll blow 1/3 to 2/3 of the games we lead late. I think it's gonna be one of the worst teams the Sox have ever had. We'll know very early there is no hope of .500. Those of you who want to lose every game should demand we trade Abreu soon. He might win a few games by himself. He's our one good hitter. Trade him and that will take care of any aspect of the team being good. Better than winning 75 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 09:07 PM) If we lost that many games, our system had better be loaded. And regarding Abreu, if he wins "a couple of games", i'm fine with it. Moncada coming up in May will likely benefit from having Jose around. Moncada won't be up this season. That would be ridiculous if you are trying to lose 110 games. If he's ready for the bigs, then there's no reason we should be doing a rebuild, we should be tinkering and try to win if he's gonna be on the big league team from May on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 09:13 PM) Moncada won't be up this season. That would be ridiculous if you are trying to lose 110 games. If he's ready for the bigs, then there's no reason we should be doing a rebuild, we should be tinkering and try to win if he's gonna be on the big league team from May on. You are going to hate the next two seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 08:16 PM) You are going to hate the next two seasons I am interested in seeing how I react. I've paid close attention to every season for a long time. But losing game after game is probably going to be the end of my fandom unless I somehow consider all the losing comical. Since I'm not a draft guy, I don't trust our front office to draft the right guys so I don't care about the draft at all. I do have mlb.com again cause I forgot to cancel the automatic recharging. I do know I hate losing and I am expecting 110 or more losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 03:13 PM) Moncada won't be up this season. That would be ridiculous if you are trying to lose 110 games. If he's ready for the bigs, then there's no reason we should be doing a rebuild, we should be tinkering and try to win if he's gonna be on the big league team from May on. If he's a major league player, there's no reason to leave him in the minors after May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (Soha @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 12:49 AM) If Seth Beer keeps hitting .253, we might be needing a new guy to target. But yeah, we want a top 2-3 pick regardless of who is there. He has a .488 OBP and his OPS is 1.070. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 09:46 PM) He has a .488 OBP and his OPS is 1.070. Don't think he's going to be a top 3 pick though. Same with Baker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 03:30 PM) I am interested in seeing how I react. I've paid close attention to every season for a long time. But losing game after game is probably going to be the end of my fandom unless I somehow consider all the losing comical. Since I'm not a draft guy, I don't trust our front office to draft the right guys so I don't care about the draft at all. I do have mlb.com again cause I forgot to cancel the automatic recharging. I do know I hate losing and I am expecting 110 or more losses. I'm going to call you out for being happy in 3 years though. Your stance is absurd. If 2 years of losing and player procurement leads to a successful run from 2020-2026, how is that not worth it? You need to take a step back. Don't worry about the day to day. Track prospects. Pay attention to other aspects of the org. But yeah, if you just want to watch each game as a separate entity with no eye toward the future, you probably shouldn't follow the team this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 03:49 PM) Don't think he's going to be a top 3 pick though. Same with Baker. Yeah he may not be. College corner players just don't go that high and it's a loaded class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 09:50 PM) I'm going to call you out for being happy in 3 years though. Your stance is absurd. If 2 years of losing and player procurement leads to a successful run from 2020-2026, how is that not worth it? You need to take a step back. Don't worry about the day to day. Track prospects. Pay attention to other aspects of the org. But yeah, if you just want to watch each game as a separate entity with no eye toward the future, you probably shouldn't follow the team this year. You can't call me out IF I stay a fan during the horrific rebuild. Now if I do leave and come back, then I deserve to be called out. My fear is prolonged 20 years of last place starting now. There are no guarantees in this "rebuild." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 03:49 PM) Don't think he's going to be a top 3 pick though. Same with Baker. Did you read the OPS and OBP numbers? QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 03:52 PM) You can't call me out IF I stay a fan during the horrific rebuild. Now if I do leave and come back, then I deserve to be called out. My fear is prolonged 20 years of last place starting now. There are no guarantees in this "rebuild." This organization is unlikely to have 20 years of losing seasons. Ownership won't be in control that long. Odds are there will be plenty of success. I won't call you out if you leave during a rebuild. Just promise you won't come back. Edited April 1, 2017 by Sox-35th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 08:53 PM) Did you read the OPS and OBP numbers? See Y2J response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 Matt LaPorta put up a 1.400 OPS his last year at Florida. Pedro Alvarez put up OPS's over 1.000 every year. There are examples all over the place. If he's that age and doesn't display athleticism, there is deserved skepticism regarding Beer being a top pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) You are going to hate the next two seasons Sox should be a .500 in 2018 and a contender by 2019. If not, they'll probably suck for another decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 07:18 PM) Sox should be a .500 in 2018 and a contender by 2019. If not, they'll probably suck for another decade. Those are the two options? Stick to fireworks, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Apr 1, 2017 -> 06:21 PM) Those are the two options? Stick to fireworks, dude. OK, "dude." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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