bmags Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Opens up even more cash for Phillies. Gross deal for Mariners in my opinion. Can't fathom the money stuff happening in that org right now. Where even are they on reduced salary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Well it’s interesting because it sounds like this one might actually be salary neutral after they include a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: Well it’s interesting because it sounds like this one might actually be salary neutral after they include a reliever. I saw swarzak was out of it, but yes, may be neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The Mariners seem ripe for the picking right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wrathofhahn Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 You people are nuts Mariners easily win this deal. Crawford is a top 25 prospect and Segura is about to get super expensive. One of the things that is sort of interesting is clearly ownership has given him the green light to take on salary to get better prospect in deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: You people are nuts Mariners easily win this deal. Crawford is a top 25 prospect and Segura is about to get super expensive. One of the things that is sort of interesting is clearly ownership has given him the green light to take on salary to get better prospect in deals. If JP Crawford is still a top 25 prospect, that means Moncada is still the best prospect in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, ChiSox59 said: If JP Crawford is still a top 25 prospect, that means Moncada is still the best prospect in the game. I remember him being ranked like 15th by BA to start the year. So I put him in the early 20's. After googling it seems Mayo had him at 37th in his last update before his call up. So top 40? In any case he had 138 PA at the ML level last year. Way too early to write him off. Moncada I love him but he's had way more play. Crawford also plays a premium position if he can hit for a .730-.750 ish OPS he'll be a fine SS. Little different inregards to 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dominikk85 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Not a huge fan of Crawford. Even before his call up his high minors numbers tailed off. In the low minors he walked a ton but never had much power and it wasn't good contact either (tons of pop ups). His power has improved a bit but still is below average. His k rate also increased. Still a good defender but probably a 45-50 bat with 40 power. Now if the rumor is true that the second guy is sixto Sanchez that would of course change the outlook a lot, he is one of the best pitching prospects currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 So far we got: Phillies Receive: Segura, Nicasio and Pazos Mariners Receive: Carlos Santana and JP Crawford Have to imagine there is at least one prospect of note going to the Mariners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: So far we got: Phillies Receive: Segura, Nicasio and Pazos Mariners Receive: Carlos Santana and JP Crawford Have to imagine there is at least one prospect of note going to the Mariners. Amazing trade for Phillies if no prospects involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Mariners got absolutely fleeced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: Mariners got absolutely fleeced. Not so much if Sixto Sanchez is in deal as poster above said, but I haven't personally seen those rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: Not so much if Sixto Sanchez is in deal as poster above said, but I haven't personally seen those rumors. I think it's Segura/Pazos/Nicasio for just Crawford and Santana. No other prospects going to Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: I think it's Segura/Pazos/Nicasio for just Crawford and Santana. No other prospects going to Seattle. If so, yes, indeed a fleecing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The full deal isn't confirmed yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Dipoto is a terrible GM, perhaps the worst in baseball. That trade sucks a fat you know what. Like how is Crawford all you in return when you take on Santana? Edited December 3, 2018 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Dipoto is a terrible GM, perhaps the worst in baseball. That trade sucks a fat you know what. Like how is Crawford all you in return when you take on Santana? Not to mention that he included James Pazos, who had a nice season last year and is a left handed reliever under cheap team control for several more years. The guy is an idiot. I want Hahn to try to take advantage of him next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 This trade is what desperation looks like. Thank God Hahn had some patience in these deals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 JeDi just makes moves to make moves it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhock Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 *and* the Phillies don't pay any of Santana's salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 JP is nice kid who I will always root for. But this is just a fantastic deal for the Phillies. They had one of the worst defense in recent history last year. Not only do they improve offensively AND defensively at SS, but they get to move Hoskins out of LF back to first and stick and actual OF there. They essentially traded a couple years of Crawford's control to morph him into an 85th percentile outcome version of himself. And they get two useful relievers, as well. I cannot understand what the Mariners get out of this for even a moment. If it was a short-term money thing, I get it. But it isn't and so I just don't understand. I feel like they could have moved Segura for a better prospect package WITHOUT taking a bad contract back. And without giving up Pazos. Extremely confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Yikes. Mariners played themselves this week. They are tucked for 5-6 years. Their farm is still bottom 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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