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47 minutes ago, poppysox said:

There are no bad hitters with 100 rbi's or who bat .300.  Advanced stats have a role in evaluation but they are not the end all.

Yes we should mostly rely on the eye test and subjective A B C D F grades

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15 hours ago, greg775 said:

You can't have it both ways. If people want the new analytical stats, then get ALL baseball broadcasts to stop showing BA and RBI and ERA and Wins and Losses. Otherwise, Jose's stats are quite great this season. 100 RBIs at the end of August. Nice. Decent batting average for a slugger too. And lotsa home runs. As far as his defense, frankly, who cares? He's good at digging for the most part. I'd say he digs well on 8 of 10. He throws well on the 3-6-3 DP. He's bad on pop ups and lousy on shots to his left. He's OK to his right.

My Jose grade for 2019 season: A. How's that for a traditional stat? A grade. I wonder what everybody else gives Jose. I bet some of the 'haters' go as low as C-.

Wow ...... 

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He's not bad , but he's not great. He's still a producing MLB quality hitter. If we plugged his numbers into the DH spot, he would be our best DH in how many years?

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15 hours ago, greg775 said:

You can't have it both ways. If people want the new analytical stats, then get ALL baseball broadcasts to stop showing BA and RBI and ERA and Wins and Losses. Otherwise, Jose's stats are quite great this season. 100 RBIs at the end of August. Nice. Decent batting average for a slugger too. And lotsa home runs. As far as his defense, frankly, who cares? He's good at digging for the most part. I'd say he digs well on 8 of 10. He throws well on the 3-6-3 DP. He's bad on pop ups and lousy on shots to his left. He's OK to his right.

My Jose grade for 2019 season: A. How's that for a traditional stat? A grade. I wonder what everybody else gives Jose. I bet some of the 'haters' go as low as C-.



Then he better get ready to DH.  Frank Thomas, who is a much better hitter than Abreu, was a DH.  

 

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15 hours ago, greg775 said:

You can't have it both ways. If people want the new analytical stats, then get ALL baseball broadcasts to stop showing BA and RBI and ERA and Wins and Losses. Otherwise, Jose's stats are quite great this season. 100 RBIs at the end of August. Nice. Decent batting average for a slugger too. And lotsa home runs. As far as his defense, frankly, who cares? He's good at digging for the most part. I'd say he digs well on 8 of 10. He throws well on the 3-6-3 DP. He's bad on pop ups and lousy on shots to his left. He's OK to his right.

My Jose grade for 2019 season: A. How's that for a traditional stat? A grade. I wonder what everybody else gives Jose. I bet some of the 'haters' go as low as C-.

I could also care less about defense for a first baseman. Yeah, I’d want a plus defender out there like Matt Olson or Evan White now or Darrick Barton ten years ago but that’s rare. 

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20 hours ago, greg775 said:

Yet he was an All-Star. I'm assuming his WAR (yawn) was just as bad compared to others at the all star break when he got picked. I forget. We Sox fans don't applaud our guys for all star selections unless they are aged 25 or so or having a wild reclamation year like McCann.

p.s. Oops I'm in a praise Jose mood today which means I better log off. I am in a mood where i could be baited to express great love of Jose!

Oh, we're yawning WAR now. Great argument.

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20 hours ago, greg775 said:

If people want the new analytical stats, then get ALL baseball broadcasts to stop showing BA and RBI and ERA and Wins and Losses.

Let me get right on this...

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35 minutes ago, Steve9347 said:

Oh, we're yawning WAR now. Great argument.

And others are yawning "all star." Doesn't matter. What do they know thinking he's an all star? Remember D-F-A is his grade.

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On 8/22/2019 at 12:26 PM, chitownsportsfan said:

Can we stop this lazy, tired trope?  Here is Jose Abreu's last 1100 PA:

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He's not a "streaky good hitter" he's a "streaky mediocre hitter".  And he can't field.  And he's aging.  Folks, the 140 wRC+ Jose Abreu left the building a few years ago and he's never, ever coming back.  Going more than 1 year on him is insane.  He's projected as a 1.5 fWAR player.  You don't sign 33 year old DHs coming off two seasons of mediocrity to anything other than a one year deal.

Hitting .355 this month with an OPS around 1.000. I would say that is streaky good.

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1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

Hitting .355 this month with an OPS around 1.000. I would say that is streaky good.

Ever notice he never gets a day off? He had another excellent game today. The guy that said he should be D-F-A ... that really has me steamed tonight. Geez, how unfair can one get?

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3 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

Imagine actually believing Jose Abreu is a bad baseball player

I really think you have to be an ingrate. I think that's the right word. You have the right to like who you want, but this is a guy I think should be easy to root for and want around. My gosh you don't need 8 superstars all between the ages of 24 and 29 on the field at the same time to field a winner. If Jose Abreu's production isn't good enough for some fans, we probably don't deserve a winner here.

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10 hours ago, greg775 said:

Ever notice he never gets a day off? He had another excellent game today. The guy that said he should be D-F-A ... that really has me steamed tonight. Geez, how unfair can one get?

Who cares...everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There are lots more Jose fans than Negative Nellies. Move on.

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8 hours ago, greg775 said:

I really think you have to be an ingrate. I think that's the right word. You have the right to like who you want, but this is a guy I think should be easy to root for and want around. My gosh you don't need 8 superstars all between the ages of 24 and 29 on the field at the same time to field a winner. If Jose Abreu's production isn't good enough for some fans, we probably don't deserve a winner here.

I can co-sign this post of yours.  Ideally he’s the DH but I don’t think there’s any harm in him being our 1B next year 

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On 8/29/2019 at 6:50 AM, poppysox said:

There are no bad hitters with 100 rbi's or who bat .300.  Advanced stats have a role in evaluation but they are not the end all.

Albert Pujols had 101 RBI in 2017. A season where he slashed .241/.286/.386. That is a dogshit season that he got to 100 by having the best player maybe ever in front of him. 

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42 minutes ago, mqr said:

Albert Pujols had 101 RBI in 2017. A season where he slashed .241/.286/.386. That is a dogshit season that he got to 100 by having the best player maybe ever in front of him

So that's how Jose got to 100. 

I just think sometimes you have to step back at least a tiny bit from WAR and try to be logical. The White Sox have one of the lowest scoring teams in the AL. jose has accounted for a lot of runs. Maybe, just maybe the hate a few have for him is a bit overboard. 3rd quickest White Sox to 1,000 hits, first White Sox player with 30 doubles 6 straight seasons. 

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52 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

So that's how Jose got to 100. 

I just think sometimes you have to step back at least a tiny bit from WAR and try to be logical. The White Sox have one of the lowest scoring teams in the AL. jose has accounted for a lot of runs. Maybe, just maybe the hate a few have for him is a bit overboard. 3rd quickest White Sox to 1,000 hits, first White Sox player with 30 doubles 6 straight seasons. 

Yeah, and it's harder to be really productive in a bad lineup. 

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On 8/28/2019 at 5:46 PM, greg775 said:

Want to bet?

Uh, my mom cares. I can find you a friend out here who cares. So guess what? You are wrong again. You said "no one" which means u wrong.

He gets an A+ from me. I could care less what his WAR is.100 RBI in August. Outstanding!

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2 hours ago, Roofshot said:

He gets an A+ from me. I could care less what his WAR is.100 RBI in August. Outstanding!

Nice post roofshot! Join the Jose supporters club!

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20 hours ago, greg775 said:

Nice post roofshot! Join the Jose supporters club!

.280something, 28HR 102 RBI and ppl want him gone. SMH. But yeah I know RBIs supposedly don't mean anything, and according to WAR Yolmers more valuable. lol I hope he gets a nice extension. 

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2 hours ago, Roofshot said:

.280something, 28HR 102 RBI and ppl want him gone. SMH. But yeah I know RBIs supposedly don't mean anything, and according to WAR Yolmers more valuable. lol I hope he gets a nice extension. 

Yolmer is clearly the superior player.  WAR is perfect!

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On 8/31/2019 at 10:34 AM, Roofshot said:

.280something, 28HR 102 RBI and ppl want him gone. SMH. But yeah I know RBIs supposedly don't mean anything, and according to WAR Yolmers more valuable. lol I hope he gets a nice extension. 

 Somehow they put those on a scoreboard and whatever team has the most RBIs in a game wins.   They haven't done that for WAR yet.

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On 8/30/2019 at 9:57 AM, Dick Allen said:

So that's how Jose got to 100. 

Just so someone points this out...Jose Abreu has the most ABs with RISP in the American League. 

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7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Just so someone points this out...Jose Abreu has the most ABs with RISP in the American League. 

Just so someone points this out, he is hitting .352/.381/.620 for those ABs.

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