Butter Parque Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 I don't know what it is but since the Cleveland series, Shingo has looked more hitable then he has been, I think It finally came to a head tonight in that 2nd inning he pitched. I love what he did the first 2 months and I hope he can get back to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 The league is starting to figure out to wait for his fastball to hit, and to lay off his curve and change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 he's pitched a lot recently in pressure situations...he'll adjust, he hasn't had his best stuff...just a rut... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Oh boy - we get swept and all of these types of threads pop up. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Not to me. Just didn't have any control tonight. It happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 That first inning, he was nasty as usual. They were swinging at the slow stuff. That second inning he fell behind in the count. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 I don't know what it is but since the Cleveland series, Shingo has looked more hitable then he has been, Yes. Â He had 2 scoreless innings against the Injuns, but you could see Vizquel, Hefner and Gerut putting some quality swings on the ball - all 3 outs were hit hard at somebody. Then Belliard hit a missile the next inning and another walked. Â However, today he just f***ed himself over by being a pussy and not challenging Martinez. His control was off and he paid for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted July 5, 2004 Author Share Posted July 5, 2004 This isn't about losing the game, even if we would have ended up winning this in the 10th inning, I still thought that Shing has been more hittable as of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 This isn't about losing the game, even if we would have ended up winning this in the 10th inning, I still thought that Shing has been more hittable as of late. But you wouldn't have made this thread. Shingo will be fine for the first time all season his control just wasn't there. Unfortunately things like this happen but he'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 He was fine in the 8th. Â I hate intentional walks, especially when you are walking medicre hitters in the bottom half of the batting oreder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Figuring Shingo out? He faced the Cubs twice. This is ridiculous. Shingo has been a hell of a pitcher all year for us, except in the very beginning. Tonight he didn't throw strikes when they counted, and got behind in the count against Alou. Much of his success has been due to getting ahead of hitters and making them commit to his change, or at least respect it more, which he usually throws for strikes as well, but not tonight. I'm not ragging on him, it happens. I'm not prepared to use tonight as an example of his downfall. He just didn't throw strikes tonight and it cost him. Â Â Â P.S. Torre is a complete f***ing moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 That first inning, he was nasty as usual. They were swinging at the slow stuff. That second inning he fell behind in the count. Right? Yeah, after pitching well in the 8th, he looked very tired and deliberate in the 9th. Â I wonder if he is getting overworked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Shingo is going to be fine. Did you see how bad he made Sammy look? That massive difference in speed is going to save him. He has to throw strikes though, otherwise they can wait for that fastball. Still not that easy to hit, that sucker has a ton of movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 shingo has closed out games in japan for years...it the closest league to mlb..im sure he faced ichiro and the matsus over there..and other who have their abilities and he got them out consistently for what 15 years??...if teams are figuring out his patterns he is smart enough to change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 shingo has closed out games in japan for years...it the closest league to mlb..im sure he faced ichiro and the matsus over there..and other who have their abilities and he got them out consistently for what 15 years??...if teams are figuring out his patterns he is smart enough to change People who get on this guy are just crazy in my opinion. If we did not have him are bullpen would be a total hell, even more so then now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 People who get on this guy are just crazy in my opinion. If we did not have him are bullpen would be a total hell, even more so then now. yeah...im sure glad his wife went to school (or whatever it was) here in chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 If we did not have shingo we might as well chalk up another 5 losses. Because that would just mean more jackson, clifford, cotts, and stat padder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 But you wouldn't have made this thread. Shingo will be fine for the first time all season his control just wasn't there. Unfortunately things like this happen but he'll be fine. It's amazing how as soon as he gives up a couple of runs this nonsense starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 I didn't see any Shingo bashing here. I just saw where someone made an observation and asked what people here thought.... like, does this look this way to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 He was fine his first inning of work. His control was a little off that second inning, which could be an indication of fatigue. He has averaged only 42 innings of work the last 6 seasons in Japan. His appearances and innings have been about the same during that time. He is used to working 1 inning at a time. He is bound to give up some hits and walks, afterall, these are the greatest hitters in the world. If I were Ozzie, I would work him 1 inning at a time. I wouldn't throw him in there when there is a 4 run lead and nobody on in the 9th, like he did twice last week, he's going to need this guy for a few more months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 shingo has closed out games in japan for years...it the closest league to mlb..im sure he faced ichiro and the matsus over there..and other who have their abilities and he got them out consistently for what 15 years??...if teams are figuring out his patterns he is smart enough to change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Shingo will not be perfect all the time. Im just glad we dont have Koch anymore because we would have seen 10 more games like this with him compared to 1 by shingo! He just needs to adjust to the hitters and improve more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Shingo will not be perfect all the time. Im just glad we dont have Koch anymore because we would have seen 10 more games like this with him compared to 1 by shingo! He just needs to adjust to the hitters and improve more. we should ban the name "koch" from ever being written on these boards again...baaaad karma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Shingo is fine.... The fact is that Shingo did his job, he threw a scoreless inning... He should of never of been out there in the 9th, it should of been given right to Marte.... Ohh well get em next time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Am I the only one who thought the strike zone disappeared after Take Me out to the Ballgame? Rusch and MB had huge zones. Both got 8-12 inches off the corner. Takatsu and Marte both got squeezed. They watched one strike zone, and recieved another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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