Balta1701 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) In the long run this team will get more from finding out what they have in a few guys and having them succeed versus moving up a few slots in the draft. If we're talking about the difference between spots 11 and 13 you're right. If you're talking about the difference between slot 11 and slot 10, you're 100% wrong. That's the difference between being able to sign a top level free agent and not. Or the difference between a high first round pick and a 2nd round pick. That's the difference between having a Chris Sale/Carson Fulmer and giving him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 11:53 AM) If we're talking about the difference between spots 11 and 13 you're right. If you're talking about the difference between slot 11 and slot 10, you're 100% wrong. That's the difference between being able to sign a top level free agent and not. Or the difference between a high first round pick and a 2nd round pick. That's the difference between having a Chris Sale/Carson Fulmer and giving him up. Â I see no scenario that has us signing that type of free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 11:53 AM) If we're talking about the difference between spots 11 and 13 you're right. If you're talking about the difference between slot 11 and slot 10, you're 100% wrong. That's the difference between being able to sign a top level free agent and not. Or the difference between a high first round pick and a 2nd round pick. That's the difference between having a Chris Sale/Carson Fulmer and giving him up. Exactly. 11th means we lose protection of the top 10 picks in case we want to make a run at Heyward or another top free agent. It also means the Sox didn't play well enough to warrant much enthusiasm for next year. If we ended up with a decent finish to season and win 81-82 games, I'd be fine with that if it meant our young guys were succeeding and we can count on them for next year (although I'm not sure how much they can show us in 5 weeks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 11:55 AM) I see no scenario that has us signing that type of free agent. Even if we don't sign a top guy, what if we end up trading Quintana and decide to replace him with one of the 2nd tier SP on the market this offseason? Top 10 pick is still really valuable there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) Even if we don't sign a top guy, what if we end up trading Quintana and decide to replace him with one of the 2nd tier SP on the market this offseason? Top 10 pick is still really valuable there. Â I don't see us signing a guy with a big enough deal that he would have gotten a QO. Of all people Balta has repeatedly made the case about how we have no money to spend this off season, especially if Samardjiza is brought back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 05:57 PM) Exactly. 11th means we lose protection of the top 10 picks in case we want to make a run at Heyward or another top free agent. It also means the Sox didn't play well enough to warrant much enthusiasm for next year. If we ended up with a decent finish to season and win 81-82 games, I'd be fine with that if it meant our young guys were succeeding and we can count on them for next year (although I'm not sure how much they can show us in 5 weeks). Â for me, i am counting on the owners as the wildcard here. Â this yr, they took their lumps, they took the media picturing them as bumbling along, esp leading up to the trade deadline and most of all i am counting on them being pissed off for the general overall performance of the 2015 season. Â they may take a trip to the fa's market.... now the question is who might it be for. Edited August 25, 2015 by LDF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 12:15 PM) for me, i am counting on the owners as the wildcard here. Â this yr, they took their lumps, they took the media picturing them as bumbling along, esp leading up to the trade deadline and most of all i am counting on them being pissed off for the general overall performance of the 2015 season. Â they may a trip to the fa's market.... now the question is who might it be for. Â Hopefully they are pissed off about the 2015 performance and also seeing what is happening with the team on the north side. Forget loyalty and I'd like to see them bring in a real professional like a John McDonough type. But, we all know that won't happen. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 WE HAVE A PROTECTED PICK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 09:45 PM) WE HAVE A PROTECTED PICK! Great, now lets use that and the fact that Danks and LaRoche will be gone after '16 to go hard after Heyward. Come on down RHP Robert Tyler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 TankWin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (beautox @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:54 AM) Great, now lets use that and the fact that Danks and LaRoche will be gone after '16 to go hard after Heyward. Come on down RHP Robert Tyler. Â No more uga or nd guys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (Saufley @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) Hopefully they are pissed off about the 2015 performance and also seeing what is happening with the team on the north side. Forget loyalty and I'd like to see them bring in a real professional like a John McDonough type. But, we all know that won't happen. Â They need to let go of the old, and let Rick Hahn do his thing. This year we saw the promotions of Jeremy Haber and Nick Hosleter*, but guys like Buddy Bell and Kenny still remain. I really hope a team like the Mariners or the Jays pony up and get him out of here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 f*** I hate saying this....f*** it keep losing. Love my sox but I hate Ventura as manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 08:26 PM) f*** I hate saying this....f*** it keep losing. Love my sox but I hate Ventura as manager. While I don't hate Ventura as the manager I think it's time for a change/a new direction. His biggest problem has been the worthlessness of about 1/3 of his team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 10:33 PM) While I don't hate Ventura as the manager I think it's time for a change/a new direction. His biggest problem has been the worthlessness of about 1/3 of his team. Â It's not the manager's fault but a change of voice would do wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:49 AM) It's not the manager's fault but a change of voice would do wonders. Â i guess i would debate this b/c of the philosophical opinions on how much a manager is at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I'm just sick of this team being a dumbass at times. They need accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 At this point, if you're rooting for the best pick available or a protected pick, just root for 5th in the division. Division games are 80% of the schedule after this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:49 AM) At this point, if you're rooting for the best pick available or a protected pick, just root for 5th in the division. Division games are 80% of the schedule after this week. Â Â Exactly. I'm not rooting for losses this year. I just don't care when they lose. With 3 picks in the top 65 or so, should be interesting draft regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 09:49 AM) At this point, if you're rooting for the best pick available or a protected pick, just root for 5th in the division. Division games are 80% of the schedule after this week. The reason why we're now in a "protected pick" slot is that last night's loss dropped us behind Detroit and Cleveland again. Remember how we swept Cleveland in a 4 game series? It took us a month or so to give up that positioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/sort/wi...c/group/overall  11th now. It's looking like 8th at best, 15th at worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Where do the Sox rank if you pencil in a minimum of 1-5 in the final six versus KC? Sox figure to go 0-6 or 1-5 vs KC. I think we have the worst team in the league to tell you the truth and it will probably come to fruition with our record in September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 29, 2015 -> 11:08 PM) Where do the Sox rank if you pencil in a minimum of 1-5 in the final six versus KC? Sox figure to go 0-6 or 1-5 vs KC. I think we have the worst team in the league to tell you the truth and it will probably come to fruition with our record in September. Â 10-15 in the final 25 division games. 4-4 against the Yankees and A's. Win tomorrow. Â 75-87. Â 9th pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 01:49 PM) At this point, if you're rooting for the best pick available or a protected pick, just root for 5th in the division. Division games are 80% of the schedule after this week. Don't have to "root" for fifth in division. Those losses will take care of themselves. Sox aren't going to suddenly play well in divisional games the final four weeks. Â QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 04:11 AM) 10-15 in the final 25 division games. 4-4 against the Yankees and A's. Win tomorrow. Â 75-87. Â 9th pick. I think they could go 7-15 in the division games and 2-6 vs the Yankees and A's. Where would that put them closing out the season 9-21? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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