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How are we even debating whether or not the Reinsdorf era is the darkest and most pathetic years for the team, outside of a single WS in 44 years? Jerry’s ownership is as much of a s%*# stain on this franchise as the Black Sox scandal. He chose money over a WS contender in 1994. The “White Flag” trade. He squandered some of the best offensive lineups in team history in the 90’s by not supplementing them with enough pitching. He is the owner of only one of two teams that has never given out a $100 million dollar contract. He has been a terrible owner and I couldn’t even fathom Ishbia or anyone else being worse.

Yawn 🥱 another 100 losses

Yeah, it seems he is more likely to be crushing homers in Japan or Korea in 2 years than in an organization.

A lot of dead horses to beat when it comes to JR and his tenure. A few for me that stand out the most are: -Not doing what it takes to bring in Miguel Cabrera. Everyone KNEW that that dude was a total stud. We didn't because we didn't want to take Dontrelle Willis? FFS you do what it takes to get one of the best hitters of all time on your team. Instead he went their direct rival the Tigers and tortured us for the rest of his career. -Not doing what it took to bring in Machado and/or Harper. "The money will be spent", but never was, and we watch them both have nice careers at bargain value contracts nowadays. It was time to add to that team but we didn't. It likely failed anyway but that's when I knew this would be the same old s%*#. Hahn was given the autonomy to try out a rebuild but could only pay top of market free agent contracts to relievers. -Not investing in a top notch Minor League system and scouts. At the very least if you're going to be a cheap asshole, invest in your minor leagues and make sure you get the most out of the young players you bring in. So we couldn't even be like Tampa Bay. -Shitting on the idea of signing Ohtani. Yes, of course he wasn't going to come here. But for f*** sake JR at least had the ability to see that signing Jordan to insane (especially at the time) 1 year deals was worth it because paying for a guy like Jordan pays dividends. Ohtani would have paid handsome dividends as well. JR should know what it's like to have one of the GOATs in his organization and laughing at the idea of Ohtani was just pathetic and frankly, shows a lacking of business acumen. Then again, didn't Mike have to get the Knicks involved before JR finally ponied up? LOL -Not doing what it took to bring in Lebron his first go around as a free agent. -Tony La Russa There's plenty more.

Yesavage is on another level than any of these guys, and still his jump is massive outlier. Sox are going to need a lot more than a breakout season or two to even sniff .500.

Wish him well personally but from a baseball perspective this is no big loss.

Seems like it would be pretty easy to remove him from the 40-man then, unless there’s some rule about that now that he’s had surgery

JR also had a stadium built in a unpopular location and then built a stadium where nobody wants to sit in the upper deck.

White Sox W-L records in the early 60s: 1960: 87-67 (equivalent to 91 wins in a 162-game schedule) 1961: 86-76 1962: 85-77 1963: 94-68 1964: 98-64 1965: 95-67 That doesn't look horribly run to me. If there were divisions back then, some of those teams almost certainly would have made the post-season. If we see a half-decade stretch like that any time soon, Sox fans will think we've died and gone to heaven.

Just the fact that the Sox had by far the best pitching at least in the A.L. and maybe MLB with the exception of the Dodgers for a number of years and had good, solid, competitive seasons but simply couldn't get over the hump because they were always a hitter or two lacking. I was comparing that to your post about the Pirates having good pitching but little hitting. Sorry that offended you. By the way the Sox made serious legit efforts during that time period to get Frank Robinson, Carl Yaztremski and Hawk Harrelson to no avail.

See 1968-1982 ('77 the exception)...1984-1989...1994-1999...2013-2019, 2022-2025. The culture wasn't one of losing until the last two decades. But now also identified with the very worst record, knocking off the 1962 expansion Mets. Somehow I have my doubts you're singlehandedly going to turn the tide back with your current crusade.

Wrong. The White Sox had a great run in the 50s and 60s, but just didn't have enough offense to compete with the Yankees during that stretch. 1959 the lone exception. https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/index.shtml See team records in 1963/64/65.

Supposedly the Mariners top priority this off season is signing him. We'll see.

Don’t see him on Sox mlb roster again

I mean if we plan on not sucking this decade it would typically include a real 1B, but this is the Getz era so it may well be the Utility Player of the Month Club.

Ramos making the roster out of spring training is kind of a longshot. If he does, he's the best defensive 3B on the team right now (maybe equal to Monty).

Only the older utility players get that kind of runway. And GMs.

One L. But it was Larry Himes that actually knew what he was doing. Just didn't have the personality to play well with others (aka kiss bosses' asses).

Yep, he's an easy DFA, and re-sign with ST invite if they want to keep him around.

Boy Wonder needed Hagen over him and several others…..

Bears just need bodies at DB

Burke is still a young guy with good stuff. I would not give up on him.....

Where are we getting MASSIVE POWER from the 1B/DH spot now?!? What would Andrew Vaughn cost to reacquire from the Brewers?

Just as a thought experiment a few years ago, I broke the years down from 51-67 into two A.L. divisions. Under that scenario the Sox would have made the playoffs six times.

Anyone of those guys could have a breakout season with the Sox. The Blue Jays Trey Yesavage started game 1 and is starting tonight in game 5 off the World Series, let that sink in,

Westy: During the time period I was referring to Veeck owned the team for a grand total of 2 1/2 years. You'll have to try again my friend. Veeck had little to do with the time period overall from 51-67. I wasn't referring to him or bringing him up at all so I don't see how you could connect the two. But you do you! 😆

No matter what, the World Series will end in Canada.

Ah Westy...at it again I see, going off the deep end again. Considering the current state of the franchise no Sox fan of any age who knows anything about the history of the organization should be complaining about the time period from 1951-1967. That was truly a "Golden Age" for the team. But you do you 🤡

A Kwan ceiling would be amazing compared to what the Sox have run out at 2b since Ray Durham.

The Pirates at least have the makings of a dominant young rotation...Skenes Chandler J.Jones Ashcraft Keller etc.

Antonacci, B. Monty, Schultz, McDougal, and they get Thorpe and Adams back.

If thats true that is really terrible.Even hard core fans like myself are tired of losing.

Jerry knows and laughs every time he checks his bank statements.