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The Manfred Man on 2B in extras is his legacy for me and I hate that more than the Nationwide Jingle.

I think you could be right, but Cease being healthy relative to the rest of the league over the past 5 years has a lot of value. Especially with his stuff. I'm not sure he'll ever learn to really pitch, but if he does as he ages I could see him having a pretty reasonable aging curve through his age 33-34 season which would make this a nice deal. If he throws 165+ innings with a FIP below 3.8, he's definitely worth the deal. I don't think that's too far fetched.

And Burke pitched 134 innings with a 4.22 ERA in his rookie season. It's not unheard of for pitchers to improve. 160 innings should be no problem for him if he can have some consistency.

I dont understand you Lip. That 25 year period from 1981-2006 you say earned JR the benefit of the doubt. Why ? He's a big market owner playing in a division with small market teams. How many years during that time did the Sox win playoffs rounds ? 1 year. Thats it . 2005 won all 3 rounds to win the World Series. Reinsdorf is the carrot dangler by his own admission. Anyone working under him has had their hands tied behind their backs because of his meddling. Your tirade about Getz is especially troubling. Were there politics involved in hiring Getz? Probably but all JR saw was a cheap, inexperience option who would have to work under him while he was in estate planning mode and stripping down the Sox for his eventual successor to help pay off debts so his sons could make as much as possible after he died and the sale to the Ishbia's becomes final. I highly doubt Getz held much sway over JR. Any politicing Getz did JR probably wanted to stay in house , hire cheap and inexperienced all along. Do you honestly think any GM hired by JR could have not sucked ? Seriously under the circumstances with JR, Hahn and Williams in charge do you think Getz had any real decision making power before he became GM ? After he became GM has he got any money to alter the 26 man roster drastically in any way ? Some would say yes he drastically altered in 2024 but the majority of the damage was already done before he was named GM. Many of the changes he's made are mostly new hires for modernizing communication, culture and player development which can be done with funds that previously would be put into player payroll which is why player development has sucked under JR without any organisational philosophy reflected in the people you hire. What Getz has done to modernize may not be felt for years in regards to reestablishing international ties to the DR and Asia. All this is being done for the new owner's benefit and to establish a sound structural base and the future success of the franchise. The Crochet trade so far is working out very well. The Rule 5 draft last year might be the best one in it's history . They're using their new tools and hires to help with mechanics and Colson Montgomery & Crochet were 2 prime examples. If Getz sucks because he was put in a no win situation and he hasnt put the Sox in the playoffs in his 2 full years as GM of a franchise that was in a coma when he was hired then so be it. But now the patient is no longer in a coma and and will have a new "Steward" soon to nurse it back to full health. I've said it before but most podcasters doing Sox content do not continue to have the jaded, jaundiced viewpoint that you and others here on Tox-Talk do towards Getz. He's making an honest effort with pitiful resources to put the franchise in a position to do some good even if he gets fired under new Stewardship. Why aren't you on any of these podcasts ? You're not an unknown. Why aren't these podcasters contributing members on Tox-Talk ? Sox fans belittle the Sox more and better than any Cub fans do. James Fox used to contribute more than he does now because he's usually pretty fair but I think he's found it increasingly difficult to say much of anything positive because of backlash against it here. If I'm wrong maybe he'll say so.

Damn, thought Getz had him all locked up… 😶

Mets don't learn .. I want the Sox to spend but not like this on this crap.... Oh wait they already do to a smaller extent

ZIPS just isn't that accurate. I'm sure there are better internal projection systems but Dan himself has talked about its weaknesses. It works fairly well for established MLB players but it has no idea what to do with minor league data. The ZIPS projections for a team full of vets like LA will be fairly accurate. For a team that most guys have under 4 years service time like Chicago not even close.

https://www.ai.uga.edu/sites/default/files/inline-files/lyle_arlo.pdf https://www.getbigboard.com/evaluating-2019-projections/ there's plenty of evidence that it doesn't work very well.

Make room for me at table 7.

I think it is more teams want a leg up on recruiting trail and NIL, etc. Longer you wait the further you have catch up. But a fair change would be to kind of just institute a rule - only coaches that can be hired before end of the playoffs cycle are currently coaches who are NOT under contract.

Not sure I'd count the 80s. Signing Fisk was great, but they only had 3 above .500 seasons and were flat out bad from 86-90. Also I don't think Reinsdorf had anything to do with '83, as Hemond had been the GM since the early 70s. Reinsdorf ended up chasing him out, too. 1990-2008 were very good, with four division titles, a WS win, and a bunch of competent teams that had a shot.

FutureSox clocks in on their lists of who might the Sox lose, and who could they pick up in the Rule 5. 2025 Chicago White Sox Rule 5 Draft Preview -

"Future Realtor Zack Collins" is among the best things I've read on this site...almost spit out my coffee!

Frankly Id rather give Baldwin a chance to show improvement as an OF and see how many HRs he can hit. Hes got enough speed to be a decent OF . He just needs to learn you can't be casual out there .Needs to think ahead and focus concentration. Baldwin LF Braden Montgomery RF asap.

Davis Martin pitched 142 innings last season. 4.10 era.

I don't think there will be any multi year deals signed this year with the Sox. It would surprise me if there was one.

At least the Rockies got both of them on minor league deals. Getz essentially burned $9.8 million combined on both players in his fireplace.

Rockies feel they have another level to unlock...

Albert Belle being the exception.

I mean two things can be true at the same time. Jerry Reindsdorf is embarrassingly cheap AND this is a bad contract.

Now comes the content about who are the best unprotected prospects in the game -