Look at Ray Ray Run

Only thing I dont like is he's 19.

The guards have only scored 16 more runs than the sox. Their offense is horrendous. The Sox have benefited from facing the Royals and guards 14 times so far on the season. Add the Rockies and 18% of their games this half have been vs 3 of the bottom 4 offenses in baseball.

People who work with statistics and modeling look for the stat that is the most predictive and "forecast-able." fWAR has a stronger correlation to future success/outcomes than bWAR by quite a bit, and is by far a better stat for assessing true-talent performance. We want to know how good the pitching staff has been and how good they'll be going forward, not how lucky they've been. The Sox have no where near the 9th best staff in baseball no matter how you look at it, which should further support the above perspective.

I have no idea what this means. Crochet is 26 years old. If the Sox wont be good on his contract period they should just fold up. Signing crochet would obviously make a ton of sense to anyone who hasn't lost their mind being a white sox fan.

At the midway point, Crochet puts an exclamation point on his half with a CGSO 3 hitter. He's now tied for second most fWAR behind only Skubal, and clearly one of the four horseman that exist today: Wheeler, Skenes, Skubal, Crochet. The clear cut best arms in the game. Meidroth has regressed quite a bit, but Teel has looked solid. The outcome of this trade is going to come down to Montgomery who has been toolsy and successful for level and age but hes regressed a bit. For me, it's still a significant loser given the age and status of Crochet. He is a rare talent that does not come around often.

Should of clarified fWAR but this is exactly why many don't consider bWAR to be a very good gage of pitching performance. To be fair though, I'll say they should be considered probably more in the 21-23 range than 25th, but think theyll continue to fall. If you think they're the 9th best pitching staff in baseball though I can't really help. Entire staff has the 4th worst fip and the worst xfip in baseball.

And to think, the brewers don't even have ryan fuller.

Typically this would only be granted/used for personal reasons/emergencies (non injury/baseball).

Beyond Teel, I haven't seen any player that I'd feel confident saying they'll be in the big leagues in five years. Doesn't mean there aren't any, but it doesn't give me confidence. Quero has shown something of late, but I'm still not sold there. Grant Taylor will be around but if it's in the pen, that's not doing us much.

The white sox are 25th in baseball in pitching WAR.

Had mono my senior year and didn't miss a game. Im also about 10 inches shorter and wasnt a first round talent. Maybe that played a role lol. All jokes aside, Command is actually a pretty normal challenge for pitchers 6'7+ as they develop. Hard to command all those levers consistently. It's one reason I would have taken Schultz over Painter entering this year. Because he was 6'10 with ++ command at 20 years old. Almost unheard of. To see it regress isnt great, but its even less great when it feels like the outcome was based on white sox tweaking. Hopefully he returns to form sooner than later and hes not forced to stick to some timeline they created before this season.

You keep saying this, but it's very obvious his pure stuff is not there and no where close to where it was last year. He's struggled pretty much all year; he had a 1.69 WHIP the first month of the season. He walked 28 guys in his first 45 innings, but even more alarming he gave up 27 hits in 22 innings. It's just hard for me to say fatigue is the only factor when it's been a year-long and inning-wide issue for Schultz. It hasn't really been tied solely to work load increases, and while he has gotten "worse" since the first month, he was also much worse during that period than he had been historically.

Don't disagree with anything you've said, but I just want them to stop pretending his stuff has not taken a considerate step back this year and if it's because of fatigue, OK I guess... but they're talking about him being in the MLB next year and he can't maintain his stuff in the minors. Also, maintaining stuff through the innings/pitch count they've asked of him is honestly high school and college level stuff (if you play year round) so it's honestly tough to excuse his complete failure based on that. I also don't see much difference in his numbers based on pitches thrown this year, but I admittedly have not dug in too deeply. His 2nd inning ERA is his second worst preceded by the 4th inning (which would make sense). The flag for me is his command to start games has been the challenge, and it has basically improved every inning after the 1st. So fatigue isn't driving the command challenges - at least not primarily - and a lack of command has been his biggest challenge and the most alarming YoY change. Everyone already knows how I feel about innings and pitch count management in the pros today. Trash trash trash.

I've been talking about this for about 36 months now, but loved to see a chart showing it in an article today at FG: What a damn shame Luis isn't hitting, because he'd be the most valuable commodity in baseball at this deadline by far if he were. Center Field is the weakest offensive position in the game. Having a + bat and defender there is a huge advantage for a team versus the league.

Honestly, if you and the White Sox truly believe his stuff is the same then there is much more reason to worry. From my perspective, I'm not seeing that at all so I'm less worried as I think this is the outcome of tinkering that frankly didn't need to occur. Sometimes, it's best to let great ride for as long as the tank allows for it. And adjusting for fatigue? Come on.... he's thrown 68 innings. What weight are you adding to account for the "fatigue." Lastly, command is 35-45% (depending on the model/who you ask) of stuff quality. So saying it's just command is like saying someones fastball just lost 4 MPH. Losing command is as detrimental to development as losing velo or spin.

He certainly doesnt deserve to be in the big leagues, and yes ive read about their "changes." I've also read them claim the quality of stuff hasn't changed which is a flat out lie.

Yeah, im not worried about blocking anyone. Talent forces the issue on it's own. None of the arms you listed are worthy of limiting your acquisitions. In fact, the big three coming into this season of schultz/Taylor and Smith have all flopped as starters so far this season. Its been by far the most disappointing part of the season in my opinion.

Excuses for me? Lol Pal, get it together. None of this is that serious.

Schultz is avg 4.8 bb per 9 with nearly a 5 era and a significant reduction in his stuff quality regardless of what getz says. There's not a pitcher on that list that should prevent you from signing genuine mlb starters.

I've got to say, this would be insane. Edit: Saw everyone else said it. If Houser finishes the year relatively strong and doesn't balloon, I wouldn't be shocked to see him net 1/15 or 2/30. I don't see a three year guarantee or hitting the 20 million ceiling. He was just released and acquired for free 2 months ago. The league won't suddenly value him in that way.

I don't think people realize how cheap this is relative to the payroll. The White Sox could merely pay market value (which would be well above the rest of baseball who pays under market and sells "experience"), establish a team of roughly 50-100 analysts, MLops and Data Engineers, scouts, specialists, etc at market rates and supply them with all the equipment and you're still only talking about 10-20 millionish dollars probably. I'd argue that's a high-side estimate though. The Sox should do that regardless. This is what it costs to run a baseball team. 100 would probably be too many/overkill given that it's only a 2 billion dollar organization, but if you want to be the best. So what are you doing with the other 80-90 million?

Appreciate the insights into their thought process. I am probably nitpicking, but I just wish it wasn't portrayed as the right choice in the paraphrasing done. For example, if you passed on drafting a bat because you didn't have Ryan Fuller... how could we not be asking "but didn't you already PLAN on having the hitting instruction built out when you were drafting last year, so why would you allow your poor infrastructure that you were rebuilding to influence your future plans? Shouldn't you be selecting based on where you want to be, and not based on the past failures?" That's what I thought of reading through the post.

Make it make sense.

Hagen Smith also needed a significant mechanical overhaul. Green sox point was claiming the Sox took the clear BPA is BS. Every single amateur requires development and change.

Yes, Im aware of his journey. Hence why I said the Sox had no time to actually "fix" houser. Housers change happened in the offseason and they saw the change in stuff quality when scouting him and brought him on. It was a scouting win, but certainly not some mechanical overhaul.