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Uh no Caulfield, I'm getting that from his 5.2 ERA over his first 2 MLB seasons encompassing 240 innings - with WHIPS above 1.55. He struck out 38 guys in his first 85 pro innings and walked 39.

Once again, if they are a disaster and a dumpster fire they never should have signed Manny. Period. You simply cannot argue both ways.

LOL so now the guys that did pan out - IE turning Quintana from a literal released minor league journeyman in the making into a top 20 SP in baseball, and Sale - don't count for development... John Danks was looking pretty good pre-injury. Turned Gavin Floyd into the arm everyone thought wasn't possible. Got the most out of a 98th round pick in Mark Buehrle. They've developed more starters than 90% of baseball teams.

Dallas Keuchel was almost out of baseball - he was Giolito bad his first year in the league. This forum is becoming cancerous. It's one thing to be disappointed; it's another to be overly doom and gloom about everything.

Yes, Keith Law... the same guy who stuck to Chris Sale not being a starter in the big leagues three years into his career following a 2nd in the Cy Young voting. Now people cite the guy who is the lowest of the countless sources on the Sox system and parrot him as the expert of experts.

And yet, the Astros lost MORE games during their six year stretch.

So if the White Sox sign Manny, they're on their way and everyone is rosey... but without Manny, the rebuild is a failure and they'll never succeed. So someone remind me again... why would they sign Manny if the rebuild was failing and they were in a bad place? No one has been able to answer that. Manny wasn't fixing a disaster in the making as everyone is claiming.

Javy Baez and Moncada's first full years in the big leagues were incredibly similar. The Cubs never had any real pitching prospects.

Now you're going to blast the White Sox arm development? Blahhhhhhhhhhhhh Spring Results lol. Yeah, and Lucas Giolito was the Cy Young last year after spring training. How about Carson Fulmer shows he can get AAA hitters out before we start saying he's fixed himself.

Wrong - Astros lost 88, 86, 106, 107, 111, and 92 games before they won 86 (LOL at took 3 years) Wrong - Cubs lost 87, 91, 101, 96 and 89 before they won 97 games (LOL at 3 years) I'm not even going to address the absurdity that is the Brewers comment: Everything you posted is factually wrong.

How are they having the worst results? JFC. They failed to sign Manny - in no way has their rebuild been shown to be a failure. They are in year 3 for god sakes. Let's all relax a little bit. Cubs and Astros were dumpster fires year 3.

How is Carson Fulmer blocked? The guy hasn't earned the right to fill water in the MLB with the way he's performed. Let's relax before lambasting the team for not throwing that guy out there every 5th day to throw BP.

No they dont. If you truly think this then manny machado wasnt worth signing. If you think the white Sox are in a world of hurt going forward, manny machado was never going to save that.

What are they supposed to post? Photoshop of Manny Machado fucking Kenny? They need to move on with their business.

Convincing Jerry Reinsdorf to spend 300 million on one player is like trying to convince Donald Trump that the NY Times is the best news source on the planet.

No, he literally cannot - it is against the CBA. You can't - as an executive - declare yourself out on a player. A reporter can claim it, but you can't say it as a GM.

Which is complete bullshit. Hahn knew what it would take and Jerry didn't go there. The execs of these teams always back the Chairman. It's bullshit - it was clearly Jerry who didn't want to spend the asking price.

THEY ARE OUT ON BRYCE HARPER. Jeeze, when will people accept this as fact.

not at all what he said. he said he doesn't know if it'll be this off-season or not but they will spend it on someone big... these guys just don't get it. This was the biggest fish.

They don't have to overpay. They have to pay the most - juts like all other teams!

THEY DON'T!!! They just need to give market value. These morons haven't figured this out yet. It's amazing.

I was one of the most optimistic people here - you are literally just lying to yourself if you think the Sox have even a 1% chance of signing Harper. Hahn said they didn't get a chance to match. Also saying each player can decide what's lead them to sign... it's always guaranteed money Rick. How have they not figured this out!? Now he's citing they are still a changed organization... it's nonsense. "Pretty aggressive move." Why does he keep patting himself on the back. He says he doesn't give himself credit, but he keeps bringing it up. YOU GOT OUT BID BY THE FUCKING SAN DIEGO PADRES!!!

I honestly have no idea how Shack can think otherwise now.

Shack, you're just torturing yourself pal. The organization lied to you and everyone else - stop believing their BS sales tactic. They aren't in on Harper - he is a Philly. The Sox aren't prepared to do what it takes to sign a big star and they probably never will be with this current group. I have no idea why you're holding out hope. They have given you zero reason too - they've even said through their main mouthpiece that they are OUT.

Sox are OUT on Harper. Unless everyone in the organization from the executive level has been lied to, the White Sox are not submitting a bid for Harper and ANY other FA they sign this year is a complete waste of money and resources which would be very White Sox.