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Man I love Delmonico. He swing SO hard. Looks like he has a major clue up there. Hope it continues.

I love all the excuses for the Sox. He was rushed. We should have lost 2 more games so we could have taken who we really wanted. How bout the fact our system does not develop players??? I'd prefer keeping Carson on the big league team the rest of the year just to work with Cooper. Cooper who is arguably the BEST pitching coach can watch him, assess him and tell him what the f*** he needs to do in the offseason to reach his potential. No minor league coach can help Fulmer. It's Cooper and Cooper is the BIG LEAGUE pitching instructor. Cmon Sox ... don't send the kid back down. Have Cooper work with him for gawd sakes.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 22, 2017 -> 01:56 AM) I think it's fair to criticize if it's fair to praise him. Criticism for poor play even from a rookie in a rebuild is going to happen. Best you can do is make a folder and store those posts in it and recall them later when it turns out you are right or to destroy if you are wrong. I get the feeling their is at least 1 poster who does this who shall not be named. I am despised for my takes but even I do not judge Moncada on these meaningless early games in his career. He passes the eye test folks. He'll be a stud. Trust greg.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) For God's sake, just stop. I get sick of how bad our players are considered on this board. I thought it a fair question to assess some other guys and see if they suck, too. Can't believe that post caused this freak out. QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 08:15 PM) I don't know enough about the Royals on a day in and day out basis. But rough overview? I'd say if I'm the Sox I am passing on Cain as he's getting older at age like 31 or 32. He probably can fill a teams needs in the way a Melky does. He has no fit on the Sox or the Royals moving forward. Salvy to Davidson is about as apples to oranges as one can be. Savly is an All-Star catcher. That position doesn't historically produce well so when you get one they are super valuable. how you call a game, your relationships with pitchers, how you catch, frame, etc. Would welcome him on any team. Moose and Hosmer? Hosmer is having a great year. Again this isn't really about other teams. I'd rather be the Royals of 5 years ago and have these guys produce like they are at cheap. When they are becoming FA I think they cost too much compared to what their value is in return. He's a fine player. Not someone I'd want on the Sox at the pricetag hes gonna get. Those are all starters and good players. If the Sox were able to have production out of 4-5 guys like that on their rookie contracts I would be ecstatic. Moose, Hosmer, Salvy were all highly touted guys ... Nicky Delmonico, Yolmer and Saladino and Davidson were not.... The Sox will be more than fine if we have 4-5 of the guys in the minors produce as the royals had ... we can probably pencil in Moncada as a starter. we have Abreu ... now add in 2-4 more and we're cooking. I just don't think the names like Garcia, Sanchez, Davidson, Delmonico are those guys. Thanks. I'm surprised you think those Royals are good players, but glad to read this.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 08:16 PM) That's a totally fair point made there and agree with it. However I think a lot of times we as fans get caught up in a few good weeks by a player. Out of all these guys playing right now - we can't have more than 3 of them starting for us in 2020 if we are going for it (not counting catcher - not counting pitching) Abreu .... Avi ... Delmonico if you'd like - I don't have faith in Nicky, but that's fine. I'm fine with finding another few guys to be UTIL players as well ... L. Garcia, Saladino, Anderson I just get upset that sometimes the fan base thinks that a few good weeks out of Davidson or Nicky or Saladino equals their starting 2b or SS or whatever on a contending team. If you do get a chance I'd like you to assess Salvy Perez and Lorenzo Cain and Moustakas and Hosmer for me. Should they be starters? Are they worth a damn? My guess is they will come up lacking. I'd love to see your assessment of the NL all star roster. I'd think most of those guys suck and shouldn't be regulars. I do realize most of the Sox do suck, but I think Delmonico, Avi, the catchers, Moncada, Abreu, yes Davidson are actually not so bad. Perez by the way has 21 homers; Davidson has 22. "

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) Didn't really spend time reading the responses - but no chance in hell Nicky Delmonico is a contributing member of this team in 2020. Every year there is someone new we think could be a player that sticks around on this board.. Last year it was Saladino and how he just had the "it" factor and knew how to play the game right. How he could play 3B for 3 seasons+ or be a starter on the diamond. Saladino is just another 2-3 year UTIL player and will be gone soon. Same with Yolmer. There were positives earlier in the year and it got thrown around that HE could be the solution at UTIL. He is no better, actually probably worse than Saladino in my opinion. Players than have a chance to contribute into 2020 currently on Sox: Abreu - DH with some time (60) game at 1B Moncada - temper expectations. #1 prospect means nothing now that he'll never be on that list again. He's just a former #1. He's going to be a slightly above average player with the chance to have a few really good years. Anderson - Super UTIL - SS, 2B, 3B, CF - I give him next year to prove himself. Hopefully we wont need him as our starting SS. He's a guy who should play 90-100 games a year in UTIL role Hansen - this is my hail mary. Let him play a lot next year. If it clicks? Good. I think he can play the super UTIL role then as well. For those of you who think this is crazy - he was a more highly touted prospect than the above Anderson. I'd be hard pressed to say in a full year that either is much better than the other. Leury - Same - can fight for the super UTIL role. Rodon - #2 or 3 N. Jones - set up man if not dealt That's it in my mind. Players who won't be on team or shouldn't be... Avi - sorry. Don't want him. don't need him. He can be our 7-9 type of player, but don't want him as a key to our success. Davidson - please don't tell me how MLB is an all or nothing league - he's a nothing. 35HRS a year doesn't mean s*** if you strikeout 35% of time Delmonico - Nope. I know our team truly does suck evidenced by the record, but I find it interesting that the only people we think are any good at all on the Sox are the prospects who've never had an at bat or a pitch in a real MLB game. I'd love to see some assessments of other teams' players. Is anybody acceptable if Jose Abreu is not acceptable? Is anybody acceptable if Avi is not? I'd like to see a list of players on other teams. For instance is Moustakas any good according to Sox fan standards? Is Hosmer? Is Salvy Perez? I know Salvy never walks, not sure about the other guys. Do the Royals (since they are just down the road) have any acceptable players at all by our soxtalk advanced stat standards? I know Escobar must suck in our eyes; Cain must suck in our eyes. Gordon obviously is trash. The advanced stat era isn't very fun cause most players suck.

This has been touched on before, but is there anything to this report that Millennials are a different type group to manage at work? Any managers in here or talent evaluators? Is it true or not about Millennials? Are they good hires or not? From what I've noticed they work as hard as anybody else and take as much s*** from the superiors as anybody else.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 05:15 PM) Yea you know just a little assault and battery, not that that's illegal or anything. Why did the guy say he was arrested? What was he arrested for?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) Mig looked real strong today. He could still help the Sox in '18 How dare you suggest this. He must be traded now (green).

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 11:01 PM) Gonzalez pitched a good game for the win today. This will probably be his last start in a White Sox uniform. I thought we would get at least 2 more starts from him before the August 31 deadline. Now that Lester is on the Cubs DL , I figure Hahn will trade Gonzalez to his life long favorite team the Cubs. Older fans remember when Arnold Johnson owned the Kansas City As he traded numerous of his best players to the Yankees. It went on for years. It helped the Yankees maintain their dynasty in the 1950s and 1960s. I can't help but wonder if we're going to see the same type of situation with the Cubs and Hahn. He recently traded Quintana which should help them the next few years getting into the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gonzalez go the Cubs either. I don't mind these posts cause I understand your frustration. You are being sarcastic somewhat which is ... fine IMO. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 11:10 PM) Dude just STFU and take your insane conspiracy theories elsewhere. He's mad at the team's record. What's wrong with that? Just read his posts for what they are. There are very few of us who post negative stuff, why not read it for what it is. Venting. QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 21, 2017 -> 02:21 AM) I understand that however literally almost every single post contains conspiracy theories, inane comments and digs at JR. Look I'm not the biggest JR fan in the world, he's done some good things, he's done some things that have been extremely harmful to the franchise but I'm not willing to think he's tanking on purpose to increase his bank account, that's insane. He just gave 28 million to Robert for example. And the thought that Hahn is a secret Cub fan implying that he's out to destroy the Sox and help the Cubs is flat out insane. INSANE. That is going beyond venting which I completely understand. Maybe this guy is simply trying to get a reaction from other posters...if so, mission accomplished! That is true, Lip Man. That money given to Robert is really the one thing that gives me hope the Sox might spend some money once they need a few free agents to tidy up the bullpen, maybe one starter, maybe a veteran DH once we get good. I love your work Lip Man. You are a great writer/asset to the board in educating us. Lip Man is all right by me.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 07:01 PM) When you get past all the details of this whole thing, it really all comes down to two things: patience and hope. Every year is filled with that second ingredient, and that is for every team. This year and next and possibly the year after requires patience for our team. This kind of game isn't for those who need instant gratification all the time. This sport is all about development, no matter what stage of the game you are in. In our case, it's just all about development in the first stages of many careers. And we hope that the majority of them end up performing like they are projected to, with some surprises here and there (e.g. Delmonico...so far anyway). True. Patience is a virtue. I will say if they trade Abreu and Avi they are going to try to dominate from 2020 to '25 in a very unusual way. Virtually all prospects and all new players (plus whatever free agents they sign) in that span. Virtually nobody with any Sox history at all (except Anderson and Moncada and Lopez and Rodon who will be veterans by then I guess). Very very weird if Abreu and Avi get dealt. I'm starting to think both will get dealt. Fits into what Hahn has been doing: Trading anybody with any value at all and going for it with all new, young players. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 07:02 PM) If Hahn is a closet Cubs fan who just wants them to win, why would he demand their top two prospects for Q? He should have asked for Justin Grimm and Tommy La Stella. Mind blown. I've finally checked to see how Q is doing. Man, he's only going 6 innings. Maybe that's the nature of the NL with pinch hitters for pitchers but he's not been dominant at all. Didn't see if he pitched today.

Oops North Korea warned of a "merciless strike" today. They're baacccckkkkk, folks.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 19, 2017 -> 05:14 PM) You have to like Delmonico but with less than 20 big league games under his belt I want to see how things develop before getting all giddy. Plus I don't see him replacing Abreu as our firstbaseman El Rockin you have been quiet of late.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 01:38 PM) The off season starts with Hahn trading Avi Garcia and Abreu for more prospects. This will be done in the name of a rebuild. I see it as more of a salary dump to get this team to have the lowest payroll in MLB. All this translates into more profits for JR. This leaves the team with the following lineup: 1B=Gillaspie, 2B=Moncada, SS=Anderson, 3B=Davidson, LF=L. Garcia, CF=Engle, RF=Delmonico, C=Smith. Starting Rotation Rodon, Shields, Lopez and Holland. (Hahn resigns Holland thinking that he'll have a rebound year) Bullpen= The same group who are in our present bullpen. After Rodon gets off to a good start Hahn will sign him to a contract extension. After the All Star break Hahn will then trade Rodon to the Cubs for more of their prospects. Nobody ever talks about this but Hahn is a life long Cubs fan. He never attended a White Sox game in his life until he started working for them. And finally for a job well done (Last place team with the lowest payroll=enormous profits) JR will reward Hahn with another contract extension, It's OK to be pissed off and have a post like this. The team you describe would (no hyperbole) by far be the worst in baseball history. It'd be lucky to back into 40 victories. QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 04:36 PM) This may be one of the most ludicrous posts I've ever seen on any message board. If you honestly believe the stuff that you write, full of conspiracy theories and opinions that have no basis in fact, it may be time to seek professional help. He's venting. Some fans like he and me still are upset we have to go through this right now. Some of us believe the unabashed losing is not going to be helpful to the prospects, either. Hopefully I'm wrong. But you have to admit, the owners do have it made through this popular rebuild. Everytime a salary is dumped, the fans are giddy cause we lose more and also gain can't miss prospects that someday will pay off. It's perfect for owners. They can have the lowest payroll ever, and make record profits and the fans are thrilled cause we lose more. It's really a unique time. Tanking wasn't always popular.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 03:20 AM) Despite what others say, I think we will hit and score some runs, maybe 8th or 9th in the league in runs scored. But the pitching will be inevitably what will hurt us, especially if they keep guys like Covey and sign another veteran like Holland or Shields to plug holes. I do hope they sign MiGo again. But to respond specifically to what you say, I don't think a lot of these guys are "ready." A lot of adjustments need to take place as the league adjusts to them. The main thing I am.looking for in the rebuild is to see how specific players respond to adversity. In baseball, you will fail. How do players take that failure? Talent is one thing, but adjusting is another. Great post.

Bummer. Nicky had a bad game. We stink. You all get your top draft pick. Let's hope we pick a superstar that is a bookend for Eloy for 20 years. Homer after homer, baby.

I love Jose Abreu. I get mad at people who do not love Jose Abreu. What a hitter. What a pro.

QUOTE (Señor Ding-Dong @ Aug 20, 2017 -> 03:39 AM) He's got plenty of speed and athleticism, so range isn't the problem. I think it's mostly mental issues with him and perhaps to an extent his mechanics/fundamentals. He's learning and it all will pay off for him when we play meaningful games someday. All this is prep for him. He'll be OK. He has tools.

I know we are rebuilding but the commish should step in and declare Holland unfit for MLB. It's making a farce of baseball. In the greg can be wrong category ... man I was wrong bout Saladino. I loved that guy. He is a miserable hitter. Glad my fave Avi got 2 hits tonight, but Anderson with a rare (of late) 0 for 5. Just getting caught up on the game. Wowsie, Holland is so bad. Fathom could line extra bases off him. Caulfield could whack a single off him.

What about our rotation? If Rodon, Lopez and Kopech are ready, playing devil's advocate, why can't we build a real pitching staff around those guys and contend? The basis of this thread is we're supposed to hit next year. I will never understand why the rebuild requires us to win 65 games two years in a row minimum when a lot of these guys are "ready." Sign two veteran pitchers for 10 mill a year apiece like the Royals always do, get a few bullpen guys and uh, win?? Is it that hard to sniff .500 in this crap division? I know, it is. If this post angers you, please ignore it. Not meant to argue. I "get it." We're in a rebuild. We're supposed to lose. I'm just playing along with the first post that says we should hit next year. Well, 3 key pieces of the future are leading our rotation ... but they have to suck first before getting good? Modern baseball really fatigues me. If I'm running a team I never do not consider the possibility of winning.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Aug 19, 2017 -> 12:37 AM) Dig deep enough, and the list of people who are truly worthy of a statue or monument would be pretty short. True. It's amazing it took this long to get rid of most of America's statues.

All this stuff has taken the focus off North Korea. I'm really surprised/thankful cooler heads have maybe started to prevail. I really saw the point of no return and global thermonuclear war. Glad to see a calming of tensions a bit.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 08:03 PM) Well if he thinks a guy who rebelled against the Nazi's from within Italy in the late-30's is irredeemable I can only imagine how he feels about my relatives who were drafted into the Wehrmacht. I would love to hear the story of your relatives. Please share on here in long fashion or PM me the story, please. I am a student of history. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 08:45 PM) So now do all the FDR statues come down because of the Japanese internment camps during World War II and an unfaithful marriage? If that's the case, Jimmy Carter might be the only one left we can't assail, yet the president with probably the fewest statues/monuments/schools named after him other than GW Bush. And should President's Day be cancelled? Six states considering legislation to protect drivers who hit protestors http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/legislati...ters/index.html North Dakota because of the pipeline I would guess... (CNN)The death of Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Virginia, has renewed focus on bills that surfaced this year in a half-dozen state legislatures that proposed limited protections for drivers who cause injury or death to protesters. None of the legislation has passed so far. Lawmakers in North Dakota, North Carolina, Florida, Tennessee and Texas proposed bills that would make it legal for drivers to hit protesters if the driver did not do so willfully, according to Mick Bullock, a spokesman for the National Conference of State Legislatures. A similar bill also was introduced in Rhode Island, according to the state General Assembly's website. Great takes Caulfield. Yes, Presidents Day should be canceled now cause of the fact some had slaves. Kill it. Yes we should look at all the statues and take them down if said President did something racist or particularly ominous/offensive. We have to at least consider each statue on its own merit now. It's crazy, but it's America now. Any president that had a slave cannot have a statue. Any person affiliated with the South in the Civil War cannot have a statue. Case closed.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 07:37 PM) Beyond that, no, Jose Abreu is not a super special player. He is a good hitter who does not play very good defense. Please do not consider this a fight. I really don't want to get in a fight about this. But I have a followup question/point. If he gets his 100 RBI for four seasons ... don't you think if a Rutherford, Robert, Eloy do that we'll be considering them stars? Just because they are the unknown prospects? I think Jose, who has been around here a while, is taken for granted somewhat. I consider him a star. His conventional numbers the last four years are pretty damn nice. That's interesting without steroids 30 is real real old now. I'm surprised the union, considering that, has agreed for its players to wait as long as they have to, to become free agents. I would think they'd want free agency much sooner considering careers are gonna be much shorter from now on.

We probably should set a new national holiday when all the statues come down of anybody who had slaves. And rename the parks and different streets on that day. It might start to bring the country together except for the Nazis and screw them. Nobody's got any money but maybe try to find funds to erect new statues of more suitable people. March might be a good time in celebration of spring.