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Figured he'd go there tbh. They have to draft their pitching.

On the outside chance he gets there(unlikely I know) what would you think about Brody Brecht?

I've been working today.......sorry I'm late to the thread but I'm just glad it wasn't Caglianone or Kurtz. Not crazy about them not taking a hitter, but whatevs.

I don't think it's negative value. I don't think it's a bargain. I am well aware of what FA sign for. I think there is hesitancy of other teams to spend that money if he can't play >100 games, which he has only done once in his career. Also Ken Rosenthal reported that other teams consider Robert's options more of a negative than a positive so idk why you'd have any reason not to believe him. I wouldn't have even considered it a possibility until Rosenthal's report.

I think they're a bigger deal than most want to admit.

I don't think Robert or Crochet are getting traded this month, and maybe not in the offseason either. Honestly I think it's going to take either a) 2 years of control or less or b) a team that trades for Robert with zero intentions of picking up his option.

Thank you.

I'm tired of the bust bros, just DFA them and move on.

Bravo, Kyle.

well done, lol. That's funny.

I would puke if they took Caglianone. There is no way in hell they need to take a 1B profile with swing and miss issues 5th overall. Just a waste of a pick.

I'm aware. It's quite possible Thorpe outperforms his FIP every year like Buehrle and Hendricks did, but those two are unicorns.

Now I'm one for actual run prevention, but his FIP/xFIP suggest this isn't likely to continue. Thorpe's FIP is 4.98 and xFIP is 5.37

What have the Sox done in the last 15 years to give a fan any sort of hope?

I think they got a fair deal. I did not think that Thorpe's fastball would play in mlb and it's still early. He only had 1 strikeout yesterday and he's not missing enough bats. The contact allowed will eventually catch up with him.

If they are, Sox fans will be disappointed in the return.

Neither will move then.

Mike Cameron is probably the most similar, except he was consistently a gold glove CF. Robert has more power but fewer walks, while being inconsistent defensively from season to season.

hahaha that was the most Eloy AB ever.

My argument was that for the majority of his career, Cease has underperformed his FIP consistently. I brought up Vazquez because he's another example of that, that Sox fans know well. Cease, in reality is a mid rotation pitcher that stays healthy. I don't think it's too out of touch to say that. And the last 2 seasons he's been closer to a #4. Last year I could have bought the shitty D argument but now that he's on another team it's time to admit the dude just gives up too many runs to be a TOR starter. Getz did well in the trade.

what is his career ERA if you remove the 2022 anomaly? Cease, outside of that 4.01 3.91 4.58 4.24

Cease has had one outstanding year surrounded by a lot of meh. Again, a lot like Javy.

I'm talking about a guy that consistently has an ERA higher than his FIP and people are like "he's good actually" Vazquez had good years too, but at some point actual run prevention matters.

This reminds me of the Javy Vazquez discourse.

I thought they had fucked him up forever, I'm talking about back in 2020-21. Hahn completely mismanaged Crochet. Also, I'm not sure he'd be this good without the cutter he added this year.