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The team is confident. A few Ls to the league’s best team wouldn’t change that. Beni earning his keep. And Burke pitching like the ace he has the potential to be. Good stuff.

Buying is for suckers. Dodgers sold at the 2025 deadline and now have the AAA home run leader. Rays and Brewers don’t buy much (a little on the margins). Sonny Gray? Salary dump price, no more. He could turn into Shields tomorrow. Mets bought Peralta. Orioles bought Shane Baz. Suckers.

There are other weird things too, such as Taylor going straight to the pen, with nary a consideration of starting. And his production = good, not great. And, of course, i think the drafting warrants scrutiny, too. The list of over-slot pitching is ridiculous.

So we trade Bonemer to rent Skubal for 2 months; still a long shot to win WS or pennant. Then say Colson gets hurt next season and Peters turns into a fluke. Where are we? When the Sox can draft and develop like the Dodgers, then we can make those sorts of trades (we’re better at than we were, but nowhere near Dodger level; Sox are average). Need a steady stream of young players in order to win. Trade them away without developing new ones = Sox 2010-2025. Williams and moreso Hahn used most of our best prospects for 2nd and 3rd tier talent that performed like 3rd and 4th tier talent. The Sox had so few good prospects back then that the cost was immense.

Drafting MI has worked out well for the Sox. Our SS, 1B and LF as well as #1 prospect are MI. We seem to be pretty good at it. Keep drafting that way and trade some for pitching prospects? The #2 pick for the Angels in their all-pitcher draft is a member of the Sox!

Thanks. Corrected.

Not to mention watching our young guys play for the tigers (or, even worse, the Twins). Skubal wasn’t even particularly good in his start Sox have close to a 0% success rate on these type of trades. Be smart about it

To add to the above, here are the over-slot pitchers since 2020. 20-2 (47) Kelley $1,419,800 21-3 (94) Burke $281,800 21-5 (155) McDougal $510,000 22-2 (62) Palette $340,800 22-3 (101) Cannon $319,000 24-1 (5) Smith $236,300 24-2c (68) Larson $200,400 24-8 (229) Combs $15,300 25-5 (137) Davis $53,100 Why in the world pay overslot for 3 year college pitching?

I agree and don't want that to happen to anyone. Young-for-old trades are generally bad business. But if the Sox aren't going to use him I would trade him for quality young pitching.

Gonzalez’ defense at first is also very good. I would still dump Benintendi and let Gonzalez and Mune play first/DH; but that won’t happen. And Baldwin will probably send Grichuk away, so I suppose they need to keep one veteran around. And give the guy a chance on his offense. But if the Sox are intent on trading Gonzalez, that Law hype article can only help his value. I’d still call the Angels on Urena…they make a lot of ?able trades, so let’s partake of that.

I thought that was fairly clear when the promoted him to AAA, when he couldn’t hit in A ball. It is odd that he had to ask to get coached...he wasn't that old.

Supposedly Smith was Getz’ choice. But the pitching drafting overall has been lacking. Pitching busts are common...need some volume.

Smith was a 5 inning pitcher in college. Shirley’s pitching evaluation has been ??

Emphatic cancellation of the post-game show. Nice!

Murphy can throw upper 90s. But I agree on Eisert and he's getting worse. And, break this thing up in the 9th, please.

Anthony Kay has some juice. 97 fastball; wide spread down to low 80s Sweeper.

Seems like a reason to keep him. Or just cut him and use the prospect to get a pitcher or something.

I’d do it with a player in the upper minors, preferably for multiple good young pitching prospects. Sox have more known depth there. Carlson is part of the wave that’s coming in 2-3 years. Keep the pipeljne moving.

This is kind of scary; hopefully he can find his 2019 form.

Dylan Cease just signed for c. $25 mill so at $35 mill per year (plus liable for $5 mill on 2027 buyout), Gray is a lot overpaid. He is still effective, but at 35 with a 4 seam that barely reaches 92, this really should be a salary dump situation. But in the realm of buying pitchers in July, which I greatly dislike in general, better the cheap ones like this.

He plays a pretty good 1B. I hope he's in their plans - he ought to be. First-round pick 3 years ago...not really in the desert.

All he has to be is better than Tyler Saladino and he'll be the best signed 7th round pick in Sox history...although Wolkow hopefully will have something to say about it.

That' kind of proves the point: they assembled sufficient depth to move on from the negative WAR guys. I think the only ones on the 26 man are Murphy and Gilbert (is he hurt again?) and they've each been sent down and recalled. So really he's done good job loading the upper minors with these fungible middle reliever types. He also had a smaller budget than 2021, but has hit on 2/3 main FA relievers (I include Hicks in that category as they took on his bad contract for 2 seasons) and Fedde and Kay have been acceptable. That said, I think the org is light on young pitching. Awfully light. And I agree with you on Jones.

But then Balt. did trade and most of those didn't work out well either. (the trade for Burnes excepted). What they gave for "controllable" Baz was something...these GMs just click their heels close their eyes and wish that these average pitchers are somehow more when they are not. I wouldn't mind the Sox doing some prospect-for-prospect or young player trades; but those are better done in the offseason.

I don't know why the Sox need to help out Cleveland. Perhaps use that money to get our hands on a comp pic (obviously we'd have to throw a decent prospect into the mix too).