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Just look at the list of pitchers. Who would be really missed? Scholtens is the best of the bunch. Maybe there's a name on there that I overlooked; and Tanner Banks, a personal favorite because he throws strikes, is on the list. The article talks about decisions on players like Sosa, but he should be protected way before this cast of characters. Tanner Banks Declan Cronin Matt Foster Deivi Garcia Edgar Navarro Nicholas Padilla Luis Patino Sammy Peralta Yohan Ramirez Jesse Scholtens Alex Speas

Since the end of the season, the following players have left: Grandal Anderson Thompson Frazier Andrus Shaw Urena Hendriks That's 8, and yet the 40 man sits at 35. Have they added players since the end of the season? Anyway, this 40 man is such that there should be 0% risk of losing a player with upside in the Rule 5 Draft.

Yeah, Cards fans want to send us Donovan, who can't hit lefties; and Reds fans India, who can't defend.

When the Pirates traded Cole to the Astros, Cole was a year or 2 removed from his peak in Pittsburgh. Still, they got a good haul on paper, although only Musgrove turned out to do anything (I think it was just him). Cease seems to be in a similar position.

He sure hops around a lot.

Brooks Boyer may be worse at his job than Hahn was. The org. simply doesn't care.

Open the wiki page of Butera or Rodriguez and what do you see? An image of a certain monarchal team that is also present in the resumes of all but 1 or 2 of the coaches.

Move him around; might shake him up. New look utility player. I don't see a problem with flexing Moncada. He'll be gone in a year anyway.

I have little interest in Merrifield being a member of the Sox, unless it prevents them from trading for Perez. Don't care about the money: it's the prospect cost for an aging negative WAR player. And there will be prospect cost with a rookie GM, and with a likely preference for KC to eat as much $$ as possible.

I'm warming up to this. Whit can provide the essential Royals leadership at less than 1/2 of the salary and none of the prospect cost that Salvador Perez would require.

The clubhouse seems more like a Pedro excuse. The Sox have Eloy and Vaughn for multiple years, if they want them. No reason to jettison them for dimes on the dollar to make room for a player coming off of an ACL. I'd spend the $ on short-term pitching, so that the Sox don't get blasted ever night. Also trade for a young outfielder, given that the pipeline is really thin at that position. I keep reading that the Cardinals have "outfield depth"; I guess "Depth" is in the eye of the beholder as most seem to have not done well in the majors, but maybe pick one of those guys up cheap and hope for a rebound.

That's a better collection of young players than the Sox had when they started the 2016 rebuild. Some of it is because they made a much more energetic reasoned effort last July in peddling 2nd/3rd tier players than they did during the rebuild when peddling 2nd/3rd tier players.

It didn't change last July when trying to move him. Sox wanted elite, and no one bit. Teams rarely trade away their elite prospects - too much risk. Preller has done it it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he is gunshy now. I think they can get a nice package for him: a ML ready OF and a couple of prospects in the 40-120 range.

It would still suck. Let's the new GM start the resurrection of a 100 loss team by trading young players for declining negative fWAR player. The farm finally isn't in the decrepit shape that it usually is in. Use it judiciously.

Wasn't that Burdi to rush to the bullpen (Hahn was successful in that effort). Collins who would be quick to the majors at a needed position. Etc. etc. 1 high school player signed in the entire draft.

As well as the 2016 draft. I sure wish JR did informed Hahn that he had a long-term contract. Maybe Hahn wouldn’t have made those desperation moves. The Samardzija trade annoys me even more. Hahn actually thought that he had made a great move. He was strutting and preening after that trade.

Wasn’t it Pedro over Bochy as well? I thought I read that Bochy was in Nashville and was interested in the Sox job.

Rice has been terrible in baseball for a while now.

That's certainly true. But I guess i'm not going to get hung up about it if it's just a conventional bad trade. If you make trades, you'll make some bad ones. As long as the trade is well-intended and if you have a reasonable idea of the value of each piece of the trade (Hahn, clueless) , they should, at worst, even out. And, also, the trader is out of the org. The Semien and Tatis trades were not well-intended; there was very little to be gained from either trade.

First, they are going to have to actually make some of those types of trades, which Hahn, for some reason, stopped making after in 2013 (Eaton #1 and Davidson). One worked out, one didn't, but all in all, a huge net +. I love these kind of trades, I agree that the Sox need them, and, for us old-timers, those are the type of deals that Hemond used to jumpstart the Sox after the 1970 disaster. I will edit to add that Carlos Quentin trade #1 was like that; Matt Thornton trade was like that. They made several from 2005-10, some worked out, some didn't, but the winners hit big. They involved fewer players than the Az trades, but the same type of trade. The Burger-Eder trade is arguably like that. But otherwise, it's mostly old-for-young or young-for-old.

I never quite understood the point of trading Burger, given his salary, years of control, power, and, for an org. and manager concerned about its "culture," he was one of the few players who seemed to give a damn. That said, I am not convinced that it was necessarily a "bad" trade. Acquiring well-regarded young pitchers is a good thing. I doubt that we traded away the next Semien or Tatis here. I'll await to see what Getz & Co. can do with Eder. They seem to be on top of things, at least.

There's no reason to trade Moncada; they need a 3B and they'd either eat 75% of the salary anyway, or throw in something good to entice a team to take that salary. Grandal isn't a member of the White Sox. How does he get into the conversation? I lean toward picking up Anderson's option. I know he isn't worth that cost, but I'd prefer neither Andrus again nor Montgomery rushed. And that seems to be the Anderson alternative. That said, one thing that they need to do, and Hahn went short-shrift on during the rebuild, was some scrapheap work, and perhaps they can find an acceptable SS, at least one who can defend, via the heap.

Given the choice between Ng and Getz, I'd certainly take Ng. But bringing in Ng at this point, with a pre-selected staff, would probably be much worse than just Getz.

The White Sox under Williams/Hahn had an enduring record of squeezing those tendencies out of young players (and not-so-young as well). Changing that should be #1 on the list of this new regime.

I doubt that JR's perception of the quality of those deals had anything to do with it. BUT the workings of the Burger deal did reveal dysfunction between Williams and Hahn, which might have been the "tipping point" for JR.