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This doesn't scream out "Shirley" to me; it screams "Safe pick" because we're pretty good with lefties. Last year was the "safe pick" type to, although he's not looking so safe. Anyway, no need to force position players in later rounds; if the value is with the high school pitchers, do what you need to do.

He's kind of put himself into a box. He really needs to trade these guys for the best packages he can get regardless of whether they pitch or hit. Now, the prospects are narrowed, unless he is adept enough to bring 3rd teams in who want pitching prospects and have hitting prospects the Sox like. Seattle's top 10 prospects are all position players; I hope they want Robert.

What's so great about Jones other than the Yankees saying he's "untouchable". Late first round pick, blah minor league numbers, high Ks.

Good gracious. Smartest guys in the room. The absolute last of the possibilities i wanted the Sox to draft. Lord I hope I'm wrong about Smith.

So it looks like a choice between Weatherholt and Griffin for us, I guess.

He's a young guy. He can learn both. He's more valuable as a RF - get some value out of his arm.

This team has 3 good players and the plan is to trade all 3. There are a few other okay players and they will be dispatched as well. Getz gets an F with the position player plugs that he brought in (Moldanado, Nicky Lopez etc.). This really had no long-term impact but it was impactful in making the 2024 team terrible. Nicky Lopez? Are you kdding? Mendick? He gets an F- for bullpen; he actually had veterans who have had a good season in his hands, and cut them for lesser pitchers. This cost the team trade pieces. Whoever in the org. thinks that Pedro Grifol is in any way competent gets no grade. That person needs to be banned from baseball. But, Getz gets an A+ for starting pitching: Crochet and Fedde. And frankly, in the long term, that way outweighs the first 2.

They've got to can Grifol after this. Put that geezer 3B coach in charge. Anybody. Put a blow up doll in the dugout to act as manager.

Grifol could have pulled him. But I'm sure he'll bring in the good relievers now that the game's out of reach. And like clockwork he did: NOW he brings in Brebbia. it's ridiculous to let this fool manage this team.

The cutting Mendick part is fine, but otherwise no.

Shuster pitches well; pull him after 1/2/3. Soroka comes in and gets an out: pull him. Kuhl comes in and gives up a run and it's like Pedro said "That's my boy" Kuhl gets another inning and gives up 2. Kuhl gets a 3rd inning and he's in trouble again. What the hell?

And of course he's perfectly positioned in the lineup to kill a rally.

I've got to think Griffin is an undereslot situation, especially if one of the big 4 college hitters is still there. IF they can float William Schmidt down to their #2 spot, it could work.

"Shultz was probably the most impressive pitcher of the day..." Keith Law "The Athletic"

The Orioles have 3 top 30 prospects that they, understandably, don't want to move. No one does. But that's it for the top 100 in Birdland. We could do a volume trade with them but it would take 3 or 4 of their 4-8s. But really, these lists are so fluid that I just hope that the Sox are really just scouting these players and make a deal accordingly, regardless of what the lists say. Last year at this time, Diego Cartaya as the #14 prospect in baseball and Dodgers #2. Great headliner! One year later, he's unranked and Dodgers #7, and that's after the Dodgers moved several players on their 2023 list. DePaula was Dodgers #12 last year, behind of our very own #10 Nick Nastrini. Now he's Dodgers #2 and #64 in baseball.

I think I understand fine. If you are paying more than the slot value of your draft position, you have to make it up by either a) paying underslot on later picks (aka punting) or b) pay a tax. And I’m not sure the extent which b) is allowed. The nationals just got an extra pick which has its own slot value. If they want to use that slot value to pay over slot in round one, that’s fine; but they will still have to make up for it by going under slot somewhere later in the draft, whether it’s the extra comp pick they got or a different pick. The extra pic may make it cognitively easier, but they still have to punt something

Well the Nationals would have to throw away a pick to do that, just like the teams that passed on him could have done if they chose to. There is some cognitive dissonance aspect as it may not feel like you're throwing away a pick due to the way you acquired it and feeling like it's kind of a "bonus pick." Anyway, unless it's a really stacked draft, I think a college player would be nuts to do that.

This probably isn't the thread for this discussion, but I just don't see how a college player like Smith or Burns has any leverage to demand overslot. They have a lot more to lose than to gain if the drafting team holds firm.

Based on how it looks today, yeah, it doesn’t look like a particularly good trade. I figured that pic was worth like a 10 to 15 ranked prospect. The prospects were iffy to begin with. it may not be the best year to acquire pics, but the nationals made a really good trade.

The Royals number two prospect and a pic for a pretty good reliever. At that price, Feddy should be worth 2 Norbys and a Bievers. Of course, that price might encourage teams on the fence to put pitchers on the market.

And Grifol makes the move (or non-move) in the 9th to make sure Pirates blow the game open. For the umpteenth time.

I would just tone down what they've been doing: 5 or 6 days between starts and limit the pitches to 50-60. And watch him and communicate with him. Adjust accordingly. I wouldn't automatically assume that 1-2 inning pitching is helpful.

Flexen through whole 72 pitches. Did the FO actually order him pulled? Or was this the maestro in dugout? And if it's "Trade value" well, Flexen had some cushion so as to to hurt his trade value (which still isn't very much). Banks' just got wacked.

But the relief role is not new to him; we saw how that worked out. And not just once.

I guess they're managing his workload too, for whatever reason. Yea they can trade him for someone's #15 prospect; but they will reach a point of diminishing returns with so many #15 prospect guys to trade.