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He needs to go along with the rest of the coaching staff, KW, Hahn, Getz, Haber, Hostetler, the analytics chief; frankly, Shirley can go too.

How sad. Just smh. Best to your recovery, Liam!

How about a win tonight...or at least a run!

Hahn always chooses his words so carefully. Could there be a glimmer of light? "What that looks like at the big league level in '24, let's get to the end of the season. ... You will hear, directly, what the plan is for the people in charge."

That Sox FO did what any functional FO of a team 20 below .500 would have done: They sold off the short termers. That signifies neither rebuilding nor contending. and then they traded Burger. That doesn’t fit either category. I guess they just didn’t like him as a player. and then Elvis Andrus starts tonight, and the team endured its 2nd shutout loss in a row and we’re back to the White Sox that we know and love.

Just one problem.... With all of these new young pitchers, is there any chance that they revitalize the minor league pitching instruction.

This is good. Lottery ticket is what you want in this situation.

Burger is cheaper, has more control and room for growth. In a rebuild type of situation, he's the one to keep. And if they're really "going for it" next season, they probably shouldn't have traded either one of them. And then rebuilding, but not trading Cease at what is probably peak value. It's all kind of strange.

I'll miss Burger; and I particularly appreciate that he played with energy. I have found it strange throughout this trade period that a player with his power and control was at or near the top of the Sox' "we'd like to trade him" list, after the contract expirees. Hopefully, the Sox got a strong return.

Reynaldo with a 1 2/3 inning save. Angels went after the right reliever. He'll have a lot of suitors in the offseason.

Over 24 hour bump...

Maybe not. But he wants to try; and given the way the Sox have treated him, I think that they owe him the chance. And it's not like the reliever thing has worked out, so no real harm to the Sox either.

The Remillard thing is bizarre considering they have frequently spent $2-$3 mill on utility players (and of course the Leury contract). I think it's like relievers - they don't break the bank and they prefer "proven veterans." It fails, but they don't recognize their failures as a failure in process.

Rushing him into the majors; rushing him back twice from injury. Never giving him a chance to start. Overall stunting his career due to FO laziness and general effery.

No problem - didn't take it that way at all.

Hahn likes the way you think!

Giolito and perhaps Reynaldo are the only players of any consequence that they traded away. Otherwise, it's addition by subtraction.

The old Guardian drawer hasn't been too kind to their old mates .

I hope the Sox give him that opportunity. They owe it to him. Heck, they owe it to themselves.

Yes - my mistake. Situational righty reliever. And he got a starting catcher, such as he was, out of the deal.

I put that on Hahn. He's had a decade to build the infrastructure. They share a facility with the godfather of infrastructure. If he can convince JR to spend tens of millions on Younder Alonso and relief pitching, he should have been able to reap some infrastructure investment.

It's Williams that the BP guys beat on mercilessly. And Moneyball whacked him for the grave offense of trading away a situational lefty reliever.

Per Law: "...but he [Lee] still has that everyday ceiling if he gets back to the hitter he was through 2021, swinging at strikes and putting the ball in play rather than trying to dead-pull so many pitches." https://theathletic.com/4729990/2023/07/28/white-sox-dodgers-astros-scouting-report/

He’s got some pedigree though. He was a number one pick for Arizona who I believe it was La Russa traded to the Braves as part of a salary- dump of some other player; kind of like a (bad) hockey GM does.

The Dodgers ditched a couple of decent players from their 40 man to make room for Kelly and Lynn. I don't know what the Sox 40 man looks like, but if Shaw's on it, there's probably room for these guys.