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QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:40 AM) It actually makes the Hudson trade less awful. It would mean 1 1/2 yrs of Jackson [which he did better than expected], 1 1/2 yrs of Frasor [a solid bet to do well], one less year of Teahen, and then a possible pick as Type B after 2012 for Hudson. It's still a bad trade in hindsight. Yet it's probably less awful if this does go through. 5+ years of Hudson. 5+. It was an awful deal anyway you try and slice it.

TCQ.

I'd trust bucket-of-suck. In fact.. he's broken a trade before here I believe (though I might be thinking of another poster with a low post count). Guys like docsox, Rock, bucket, spataro, etc.. are very good inside sources here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) I don't remember seeing any scouting report that had Hudson as better than a #3 starter. That was his upside, though most also said #4. (same with Beachy) Their numbers in the minors (esp. in the IL) are nearly similar (Huddy had a better WHIP, K/9, BB/9, H/9. Beachy better ERA)

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:15 AM) I'd rather take Beachy's #3 starter potential for 5 more years than have Quentin for one more. This, though Dan Hudson was a much better prospect/pitcher comming out, who we also could have kept for 5 more years. Alright lemme stop beating a dead horse now.

I just hope the Bears front office still isn't gullible enough to believe Hester is a #1 WR. They need a big, playmaking #1 WR for Cutler. If Rice's hip is 100% (and that's a big if), he is an ideal fit.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:28 AM) The difference right now is that Rasmus's current bat would be below average for an RF and above average for a Cf. And what does that make Rios? And Mike is right in either case, that spot is for Dayan.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:07 AM) "Defensive potential" is a hard thing to gauge, but his defense has been somewhat below average as a CF this year. I actually think he's a much better fielder as a RF. Always have since he was a prospect. (though he didn't play it very much during those times, if at all. I believe he played some LF)

Justin Verlander. Beckham.

QUOTE (T R U @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 03:42 AM) My girlfriend is pregnant and were going to Vegas to get married in either August or September go me Holy...... s***. :o :o

Won't comment on the trade as I let my feelings be known on it long ago. I hope Pena fully recovers and pitches in the future. I doubt it will be with us, nor should it be.

King Kong.

Drunk out of my mind last night. But before that, met a fine ass playboy model. Pretty cool.

QUOTE (OilCan @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 11:03 AM) CSNChi_Beatnik Brett Ballantini Dayan has aggravated his broken thumb injury; thumb is swollen and has been bothering him for a week now. I was wondering why he struggled so much during that stretch. Hasn't really been the same since the all-star game.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 10:06 PM) Not to mention Gio. Yes he was. (though he wasn't a late pick, but a great compensation one) Miss that guy.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 10:38 PM) I think some people are confused thinking we want to move Matt. I don't want to. Correct. I think people here are now arguing just to argue. I think I've only seen one or two posters who wouldn't do this deal. (and one of them was because of Addison Reed)

QUOTE (T R U @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 10:18 PM) haha, I cant tell if your responses are legit or not.. this is like the 4th one ive seen where it just had a hilarious mocking vibe to it It's getting ridiculous really (not his post just those types). The best left handed reliever/set-up man in the game prior to this season is "just another hard throwing lefty." I think 98-99% of the posters here would make this trade in an instant, but damn, stop selling Thornton short.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 09:52 PM) ... 1.03 whip is ridiculously good, for the record. and a 1.12 is also great. I think you don't quite understand the stat. I understand it perfectly. I think you didn't get my post. QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 09:55 PM) ok - and based on your standards, brian wilson STILL isn't elite. Wanna know his WHIPs? 08 - 1.44 09 - 1.20 10 - 1.18 11 - 1.41 uh oh... You called him elite, not me. I personally think he's overrated actually. Crazy son of a b**** though.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 09:40 PM) People also are ignoring the fact that elite relievers come and go. Linebrink used to be elite, what's happened to Jonathan Broxton? Brian Wilson wasn't always this good. What happened to Bobby Jenks? George Sherrill was good for 10 minutes. Joe Nathan. Cliff Politte. I could go on and on and on and on and on. Relievers are the MOST unpredictable players in baseball. Linebrink's lowest WHIP over those "elite" years was 1.036. That would have been Thornton's 3rd best since he's been here. And you know damn well Nathan was a stud before injury. Of course he won't be the same. 27 year old Broxton has one off year this year and all of a sudden he's s***? Wilson only had one meh year which was 08 and was solid in 07 (albeit only 24 games), 09-11. The rest was more or less had a career year. Your right relievers are unpredictable (as if anyone didn't know that) but you know which guys are the true elite when they've had the better history of doing it (unless your an insane freak like Mariano which in one year [07] had that 1.121 WHIP year. Just terrible. Should of retired).

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 09:37 PM) Thornton will be 35 at the end of the season. Who knows how long he's got. Hasn't lost any velocity on his arm at all. Hell I remember people saying the same thing about Billy Wagner for years. (and no I'm not comparing them as far as performances/careers) And no for anyone wondering, I'm not defending against this deal at all if you didn't read a page before.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 09:27 PM) Have you bothered to check what elite setup men are making these days? Especially elite lefthanders? Yea I understand EJax, but people are being very shortsighted on Thornton. Dude is one of, if not the best left handed reliever(s)/set-up guys in the game prior to this year. Now do you make the deal? Absolutely, but don't sell Thornton short. I could see him thriving in the NL, bailing out St. Louis alot in later innings.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 08:59 PM) He wasn't very quiet when he went after Peavy. KW and the front office hasn't been quiet since "The Club" came around. Most of us knew about the Edwin Jackson deal early too.

You do the deal and don't look back. Maybe it was because I was a big fan of his as a prospect, but I LOVE Colby Rasmus. And for those saying he is Alex Rios, only in underachieving talent. Rasmus isn't lazy, has better plate discipline, not to mention cost controlled and is only 24 (I will say Rios is the better fielder though). Both were considered "bad attitude" guys (as well as A.J.) at one time too. Rasmus, Viciedo, Beckham, Sale, (maybe Morel for his defense) is a nice, cost controlled, building block with other guys the sox see fit to build around as well.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2011 -> 07:59 PM) Is that C. Jones guy on Rome any good? Seems old to be playing in A ball Very cool thing for Heidenreich to tell his family for the rest of his life even if he never makes the bigs. "I struck out Chipper Jones."