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He might not be awake .Not sure of what time it is in China. Go ahead and start the game thread if you want.

He was built more like Sale until he physically matured. Now he's built like a Sequoia ( as one of our posters said) . So my speculative guess is that he just couldn't handle much of any type of pitching before he became the physically imposing specimen he is now after TJS.

As I mentioned earlier if you view what the Sox did ( surely it was not Hahn's decision alone since he's not a coach or scout), that path led directly to where is right now so calling it mismanagement seems out of place. And pitchers always try new things as do hitters. That's part of development.

But that wasn't necessarily the plan going into the season. He could've just as easily got hurt or not been as good as he has been before he had any worth like many including me were expecting. It's been good from the Sox perspective that they have a valuable player they can move but also from Crochet's perspective that he's betting on himself to make millions in a few years. How that works out for him IDK. Some think he's worth a 4 or 5 year extension worth $100M + right now. It's not a foregone conclusion that he can just keep pitching the way he has been until he becomes a free agent. Others here think a team friendly extension would be more prudent based on health history and just 100 inning of great stats. And some think trade him while you can and let another team figure it out. It's quite a unique situation.

They could actually combine the 2. JR certainly spends more than a lot of small market teams but it's wasteful spending. If they bulked up the infrastructure of scouting and development and weren't such babies about international free agency they could be a cross between the Rays/Brewers/ Guardians and teams that will spend more on payroll. Of course it's not going to happen that way because it's not the way JR has ever done it. He's more content just dangling the carrot of the mirage of being competitve while he now crys poor because of location and the high cost of top players.

That's why I asked him to clarify what he meant by bullpen. What you just said is what I said earlier and said at the beginning of the season after listening to Crochet talk about how he wanted to be a starter and totally embraced a starting pitcher's routine. This idea gainng traction that the Sox don't care about his health has no basis in fact. It's only based on how much he is pitching and lack of actual knowledge about how the Sox AND CROCHET wanted to approach his usage. I understand that it's a very unique situation and that how it's being done is not the normal err on the side of caution way but I have a hard time believing anyone among Bannister , Getz and Crochet himself think he's being treated as a piece of high quality meat.

I don't think anyone can actually say with any amount of certainty that even if Crochet had been developed as a starter that he wouldve been doing what he's doing now earlier. Maybe it's just that in college and his early years with the Sox his body or arm was not equipped to handle either role without injury. He probably ends up having TJS either way. He's much bigger and stronger now than he was back then . We have to keep in mind that despite all the gnashing of teeth about how he was developed it led directly to what he's doing now . It's just wish casting to think Crochet would've been at where he is now sooner.

I'm bumping this. Seems like a good thread for speculation and rumors about Fedde with the deadline 4 weeks away. Might be too soon but it can always be bumped again . Will there be a tradewinds section opened up ?

Fedde can bring real talent too. Sox got real talent for some of the guys last deadline you might not have thought would bring it. Heck Aaron Civale just bought in a 20 year old SS hitting .325 . Admittedly I don't know much about the guy but that sounds like real talent.

That remains to be seen also.I feel as if I'm particularly adept at reading the terrain on topics I've paid close attention to. It may be moot if he's traded however... Crochet has repeated in several interviews since the start of the season that he thinks that his arm has responded well to being on a starting pitchers routine. He does not want to be used in a traditional relief pitcher's role. If you consider "being in the bullpen" as only getting work as an opener in order to maintain his routine between starts then yes he will be in the bullpen. So how others interpret what you mean by "being in the bullpen" is debatable. Care to clarify ? I think the only other possibility is long relief but only every 5th or 6th day on a planned schedule. I don't think he'd be open to doing it any other way.Nor do I think the Sox would ask him to to do a traditional relief pitchers type of role. What they have done so far is working great and Crochet agrees and does not feel as if he's being abused. He's doing what he thinks is best for him. You may consider it medical malpractice because they are not erring on the side of caution but everything they are doing with him now is the way Crochet wanted to do it.

Erick Fedde continued his brilliant pitching going 6 innings giving up 1 ER 3 hits ,3 walks and 3 K. Martin Maldonado was the offensive star of the game with a 2 run HR and an RBI single . Robert Jr had 2 hits a double and single. Sosa had 3 hits a double and 2 singles. Pham had 2 hits. Benintendi had a 2 RBI double. BP gave up 1 run on a solo HR in 3 innings.Banks pitched a perfect 1.1 innings and Steven Wilson pitched the 9th giving up 1 hit and no runs. Final Sox 8 Guardians 2.

Or it could just be they are giving him his regular turn in the rotation with no ulterior motive whatsoever. They want him to do well of course because he'll command more in a trade but every start he makes could be his last one . I'm not sure what you think the Sox should be doing. Why don't you give us some wisdom on the matter. I'll try to help you out as much as I can. Not pitch him at all. Limit his pitches to a certain number per start. Go to a 6 man rotation. Send him to the minors. Put him in the BP. Or another choice of you choosing and please explain why this will help his trade value or how much you care about his health. I'm just trying to figure out what you personally want. I don't really expect you to tell me .You're more the snide comment type when you're arguments make no sense and you feel like you're being backed into a corner or stalked.I don't pick you to argue with but when you continually imply things without saying anything I ask for clarity. For some reason you think he's being abused yet time and time again he has said he loves being on a starting pitching regular workload where he can prepare the exact same way between each start. Maybe you just want to be the 1st one in line to say I told you so if he gets hurt or pitches slow down before he's traded.Dazzle me.

Quite an ambiguous statement. Please identify what qualifies as a stud and how you know who is one and who isn't.Then please also tell me the guaranteed studs you already know of in the minors. The Sox could use your expertise.

What's it telling you ? It's 2 different guys.How one is treated has nothing to do with the other one. Crochet and his agent I would assume aren't boobs. Do you think Crochet feels like he's being run into the ground or abused or handled wrong in any way ? It's pretty easy for Crochet to say in any game "take me out ,my arm doesn't feel right" or " I'm tired." Do you believe Nightingale when he said the Sox plan to curtail him severely in the 2nd half if he isn't traded ? Is him throwing less sliders a part of an over all plan ? Maybe Thorpe is feeling a bit of fatigue and Crochet isn't. You could view both pitchers as key pieces in the future of the franchise. Thorpe for his abilities on future Sox teams and Crochet for the talent he brings in that contributes to future Sox teams. I think we're all better off not saying something is " telling" if we're not going to say why it's so telling.

Unfortunately I think it won't be noteworthy except probably neither Robert or Crochet get traded at the deadline. Crochet is truly a unicorn. Like Ptatc said practicing medicine isn't an exact science. You will run across guys who are unique. Crochet is much bigger and stronger than when he was in college. Maybe he had the Tommy John surgery at some exact moment in time that coincided with him physically maturing that just uniquely made his arm God like so to speak. Or he'll just crash and burn his next start or next year. It's that hard to know what's going to happen Robert is hitting a HR like every 12 ABs . He oozes talent that he hasn't fully mastered yet. That could be from all the injuries or things I hesitate to mention like complacency due to already being a very rich young man. It's why you hate to think he's just not sure how to approach being so physically gifted with being so physically fragile. It's why that throw he didn't make yesterday bothers so many people, not just fans .but a guy like Ozzie Guillen and probably some of his team mates. I know he wouldn't have got runner but it's good to show that you know how to approach and execute that kind of play. That ball was plenty high enough for Robert to back up then come in on it and get some momentum behind that throw. Grifol was blowing smoke up out asses that Robert didn't have time to position himself because the OF was playing shallow. Go watch that game winning sac fly . You likely have a stop watch on your phone. Start the stop watch when bat contacted the ball and stop it when it enters Robert's glove. It is easily 6 seconds. That's plenty of time to back up and time that very high fly enough to catch it coming in. Yes it was another meaningless game but if some of us question the effort or optics, and plenty are, then there is something wrong. If that was a playoff game or World Series game on the line there would have been a ton of national blowback on that play. It's a symptom of the type of play you don't like to see. It's not winning baseball. Anyway that's off topic. Without the 2 major pieces moving there still might be 1 major piece coming back for Fedde but nothing all that exciting for the rest of whoever gets traded. But we have seen from last year's deadline that you can get some fairly good pieces from guys you don't expect to command it. The Grossman trade was a good example. The Sox got a pretty good AA reliever. Still the Sox need to have all hands on deck coordinating talent evaluators and sending out scouts to evaluate many players from many organizations. This is when you start to worry if they have the infrastruture necessary to evaluate massive amounts of players and execute what could be 8 or more players moved, then other moves to get the players received into the levels they belong and releasing the right players. If Robert and Crochet are both moved this trade deadline can be a defining moment to evaluate Getz and the people he has surrounded himself with.

You just have to click/touch on the writers name and you can see all his articles.

Pedro agreed with you.

And he did. Told the reporter who asked he was making something out of nothing.

Not much you can do when you catch a cleat but why does that even happen ? Either way the runner goes to 3rd. You don't throw it and its a balk. At that point maybe you could try to not throw a wild pitch by lobbing it but that would take some pretty fast thinking.

Imagine the heat he'd be catching doing that in a playoff or World Series game.

I know that run probably scores but Robert just didn't even try to set up behind the ball and get some momentum on his throw by coming in on it.

There it is

Kopech should ve got a called 3rd strike on Bo Naylor. Then trops on the mound throws a wild pitch and runner on 3rd. Game just about over

Sox havent won a series opening game on the road all year.

We get to see Maldonado bat 3rd this inning