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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 8, 2010 -> 06:18 PM) 3-0 Reds on a Jay Bruce HR. Bruce has the potential to be one of the top 5 players in the NL by 2012. He's always had that type of potential, the question is, can he put it together for a whole season?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2010 -> 01:47 AM) All Beckham has proven at this point is that he can be a league average 2Bman. Santos had a solid, though overrated season - he showed that he can bring it at the major league level, but he allowed an absolute ton of baserunners. I do think he will improve in that regard next year. Alexei is good, but he was pretty refined when the Sox brought him in - I don't see how that is any different than the Yankees bringing in Alfonso Soriano. Morel and Viciedo haven't proven jack s***. If you want to include Buehrle, then the Yankees can counter with Andy Pettitte and then tack on the greatest closer of all time. They also have a hall of fame shortstop too, and a borderline Hall of Fame catcher. And no, you don't count Paul Konerko. Paul Konerko has spent a grand total of 4 games in the White Sox minor league system - in 2008. Paul Konerko was developed by the Los Angeles Dodgers. I was wrong about the Yankees pen, as they only have Joba, Mo, and Robertson that they've drafted and developed. If you want that argument, that's fine. But also understand, it backs up my argument and KW's way of thinking even more. They realize they're not great at evaluating amateur talent, so they go ahead, and trade them when they're at their peak for guys who will be useful.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 08:35 PM) That's at least the public story. You never know how much of the private story is true or not, but the moment he was gone, it seems like a dozen different players immediately started saying they couldn't stand him in the locker room, he was picking fights with coaches, complaining constantly about the game plans, etc. Former players. Current players don't seem to be saying that. Not even Bill Billichick who isn't afraid to fight with anyone.

Wisconsin Milwaukee reported recruiting violation on Pearl in '04 for having a player over his house. Still can't believe it's not a bigger story right now. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5648545

Happy birthday

Yea WSJ has reported it, not only 4 times, but 4 times within the last year. I don't see it happening either. If it does, Android Developers are going to be pissed because not only is VZW now giving them a shelf life of a month before a better one comes out, they're acquiring their direct competition. Pretty dumb at this point to get the iPhone. Either way, I'm glad I'm off Verizon. Greaet service, horrible pricing. I'll take my $300 bill and put it towards a car note instead.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 04:26 PM) He shouldnt of said it at all. It was a selfish b**** move. As soon as it left his mouth it became a distraction every single day, especially in the Boston media. Agree to disagree then. I don't see how it was a selfish b move at all. They were ready to ask him about it. He stated his situation and left it alone, period. He didn't even say it like a villain itching to get out either. He just said, "This is probably my last year here, it's been a great ride, I appreciate my time here, but it is a business."

I was rooting for the Rays as well, but something was missing from them. I'm rooting for the Reds and it's a lack of talent to matchup. Either way, the playoffs should be good. In the end I think the Yankees beat the Phillies in 5 this year.

Yeah, I'd argue Pettite is more of a safebet in the playoffs than Sabathia.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) Wrong, the Sox are attempting to do that with perpetual reclamation projects (i.e. guys 5-7 years past their primes) because they've failed miserably at drafting/developing (though they're just now picking up the pace in that department). I give them credit for Floyd, Danks and CQ (though the latter is looking like a 1-year wonder). Jenks was five years ago and he's a burden now. Ramirez has been a pleasant surprise. Teahen, Jones and Kotsay all, well, suck. A.J. is declining in every possible way and not getting any younger. Santos is still an unknown and obviously they get props for Thornton. Santos is a damn good performer just in his rookie year alone. And whether they are reclamation projects, cheap prospects, or even older veterans, the thing is, for the most part, they're still pretty cheap and they still contribute for the most part for the Sox. If Ozzie misuses them, that's a different argument. You as well as others are pissed because 6+ years of Dan Hudson, no matter how good he is, is better than at least a year and a half of Edwin Jackson, no matter how good he is, because it's a known fact, according to a few of you guys, that he's leaving. Do you know how silly that argument is? It's like saying, "I don't care what KW does, 6+ years of inexperienced BMac is better than 1.5 years of a proven Matt Garza." Thinking that will always bite you bad in the arse. It's not your money, it's JR's money and if he has no problem wasting 8 million on a pitcher when that's not even a ton for a guy as good as he is, then you shouldn't either. He will be overpaid next year? Really? Cas I proved to you someone who was overpaid. I can give you a list of players who don't deserve their salary more than Edwin Jackson doesn't. His salary is not the problem. Not even close to it. No it's not fact. Because I just gave you stats. You can argue the Dodgers ERA if you want. Look at the rest of his career. His early years, he sucked. But no way has the man only had only one good half. He was great his last season with TB in the 1st half. He was great with Detroit last year. He sucked with Arizona where everyone but Haren sucked(and even he was not that great this year), and he pitched damn well with the Sox. That's a hell of a lot more than just one half. Or teams need to cut payroll, make room for other budding stars(in their eyes), or you need to trade something to get something.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 06:21 PM) I don't think he would be a good clubhouse guy and no I have no evidence but even watching him tonight, his team losing and his behavior in the dugout... He probably would be an upgrade over CQ in RF, but way too early for this, IMHO. Just curious, way too early for what? I would like the move, but at the same time, there has to be other moves. Carl Crawford alone doesn't improve the entire team drastically enough to make the playoffs next year. I like the fact that it seems like we would give up on Carlos Quentin because he's a major headcase. PK would more than likely be gone. I'm guessing Danks would be traded as well. Someone mentioned Daric Barton for CQ & someone. It would take CQ, Danks, and Morel more than likely to acquire him. I wouldn't be too angry at that if we are able to also sign Beltre, but I doubt that.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 10:00 PM) Secretly??? Did you hear his press conference in week 1? What I meant by that comment is that he wasn't making it a distraction every single day as many would lead you to believe. He made one mention stating he knew it was his last season there, he would enjoy it and he was thankful to be able to play for the Pats. I don't see what's wrong with that considering he hasn't said anything since then like he stated. Even Adam Schefter confirmed the same as well.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 07:31 PM) I should've said of the last decade. In that case, I agree. Most consistent and best longevity in the game.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 06:57 PM) You made a ridiculous claim that some would take 6 cheap years of Hudson over the best pitcher of the last 10 years. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Does baseball have a cap? No. But every team not named the Yankees, and to a lesser degree the Cubs, Red Sox and Mets, have a budget. A budget that they HAVE to stick to. We've got over 50+ million committed to next year's rotation on a team with a 100 million dollar payroll, give or take a few million. Throw in Rios, who's overpaid, and you're talking 66 million to all of 6 players. Throw in arbitration raises to Danks, CQ and Jenks (Jenks better not be back), and that number gets higher. As of right now, we've got no 1B, C and DH. And no ready replacements in our pathetic system. It made no sense to trade our top pitching prospect, a guy that dominated the minors for over a year and a half, for a guy that's been nothing but mediocre outside of 1 half in 2009, that's due almost 9 million next year and set to become a FA and has an agent we refuse to deal with. It's not about overrating Hudson and thinking he's the next Lincecum. But you have to be able to filter some cheap/controllable talent onto your roster every now and then (again, unless you're the Yankees). Kenny has become his own worst enemy. And the Sox are doing that with cheaper players. They are able to overcompensate for players because they fill the rest of the team with cheap players. So what if they all didn't come directly from the Sox's draft scouting offices. Most of those guys usually don't work, but at the same time, they acquired Floyd, Danks, Jenks, CQ, Ramirez, Teahan, Jones all on the cheap. They have Beckham at 2B, AJ doesn't cost that much at all, and Freddy was their opening day 5th starter. They have guys like Santos and Thornton in the bullpen who were both acquired cheaply. Kotsay is a cheap player. No team is going to have any players that aren't overpaid. No team is also going to have everyone on the cheap and be competitive. It just doesn't happen. By the reaction though, it seems like there's a strong following which thinks Jackson is the most overpaid player on the team, when he's not even the most overpaid player in the rotation. So I don't see what's up with all the "We should've kept Dan Hudson. He's worth more than Edwin Jackson" when clearly he wasn't. QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 08:23 PM) I find it funny that posters who look at Hudson and point out the risk of a prospect succeeding but then they avoid the fact that Jackson had sucked throughout his career, at every stop he was BAD for an extended period of time and there is absolutely no guarantee that he was more of a safe bet than Hudson. Considering with us, Edwin had an ERA+ of 135 which is ace good, he had a ERA+ of 126 with Detroit last year, and 167 with the Dodgers in his first stint there, I'm going to say it's a much safer bet considering that shows he definitely has the talent, when he's with the right coaches, he has shown he can put it together, and it would prove that you are wrong in saying that he sucked everywhere he's been except for one half season which I think you were referencing with the Rays in 08. Now has he sustained success? No, and Coop thinks he can help him. It's no big help when you're traded multiple times and you have a different pitching coach every year preaching different things. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 08:43 PM) Even the Yankees will bring up young players through their system as they go. I think quite a bit of their bullpen is home grown, Philip Hughes, Robinson Cano, and Brett Gardner are there too. I think it would be smart for about the next 2-5 years for the team to cut spending on the MLB team by about $5-8 million and use that money on amateur players and finding ways to develop them into quality MLB players. The Sox haven't drafted and developed a star player in a really long time (Beckham could certainly get there, but he is definitely not a star player at this juncture). And the Sox don't? Or we're not going to count Beckham, Santos, and Morel next year? Or we're not going to count Alexei or Viciedo? And we don't count Buehrle or PK? The sox have done a better job than most at keeping players who will be useful to them. Are they great at drafting? No, they're probably mediocre, but they're smart enough to realize that and make adjustments. As far as the Yankees, I don't think most of their bullpen is homegrown. I'd probably say maybe 3 guys tops. QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 09:44 AM) I agree with you. Thank you.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 06:44 PM) Best pitcher of this era. Define this era.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 05:48 PM) No, they're losing to a better team and arguably the best pitcher in baseball. It's not because they have average talent. The Reds more than likely aren't going to win this series. But it's easy to see that this is a team (the Reds) that have a chance to be a perennial contender for the next 5 years. Disagree strongly. Phillips is soon going to be getting old. They don't have any ace pitchers. Chapman may be one, but it's too early to tell. And I never stated their talent is average. 2nd place is above average. But they're not an elite team. Elite teams are teams that make the playoffs. The only teams I can see the Reds beating are the Braves(because of injuries galore) and the Giants(besides Buster, they have no hitting. And yes, I include Pablo Sandoval). As far as the Phillies, the high payroll does allow them to take care of business.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Oct 5, 2010 -> 08:23 PM) When there are 25 players on a roster, not every one can be paid $20 million. And not everyone is. Heck, wasn't Jon Garland making around 10 million when contracts were given out like Donuts at an AA meeting? Jackson has more potential and his best season overall has been as good if not better than Garland's best season. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 5, 2010 -> 10:12 PM) Ahahahaha. LOL. That's hilarious. That's almost as delusional as somebody claiming Ben Gordon is the equal to Brandon Roy. Oh wait...... Except, I didn't try to make an argument using contracts. I actually brought stats to the table in which no one really proved otherwise. And that was before last season. I digress with basketball talk in the baseball forum. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 07:50 AM) Did this post just compare Edwin Jackson with Roy Halladay? It did not.

I don't see Edwin on that list as much as many of you guys would like him to be. I think Kenny wants to see a stud pitching staff. If anyone is traded on that staff, it's going to be Danks and it's because he has the most value(he's cheaper than Peavy, he's a very good pitcher, and he doesn't want to sign an extension for cheap). It's almost a no duh move. Peavy Buehrle Jackson Floyd Sale That's a very nice rotation. As far as hitting, BJ will be on the radar. Kemp sounds like a KW type move, but the Dodgers don't want to move him yet. Butler is actually a very good guess. Very good numbers for a guy with no protection in his lineup. He has decent pop which can turn good in US Cellular. He's actually a guy who doesn't just kill the Sox, but he's a good overall ballplayer. I think Teahan ends up as a utility player. Sox end up keeping PK. CQ is going to be shopped. I can see the Sox bringing back Uribe. AJ will probably stay. Honestly, even if KW tries to, I don't see him rocking the boat all that much. But he'll be hell bent on getting his LH power bat.

Moss has been showing up for once all season. Is he secretly pouting that he isn't getting paid? It's possible. But at the same time, let's not make it seem like he isn't trying out there. You can say that about his other stops, but not in NE. As far as the Pats, it's going to hurt them alot more than what people think. We'll see how good Welker is when dealing with double teams and the #1 corner zeroing in on him. They have no running attack whatsoever. And their defense, especially their secondary, is not good enough to hang. They might miss the playoffs this year.

ND is a fraud team and so is Michigan, with that said, Michigan is still a better squad.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 4, 2010 -> 06:26 PM) You've got to be kidding? They'll probably lose. But it certainly won't be from a lack of talent. As seen today, it is from a talent standpoint. They don't have the talent to match up with the best. Honestly, in any other year, they would've been a 2nd place team in any division but the AL East and a fringe WildCard team. Dusty actually managed them very well and that's why they're there, but I wouldn't be shocked if they get swept at all.

Old school Bulls in this generation. As Al Bundy would say, "Let's Rock"

I'm predicting Bulls finish 5th now because Boozer's out and Milwaukee is a very underrated team. With that said, we'll make it to the 2nd round and 6 games.

What was wrong with Anderson? In fact, for the most part, their defense has been beastly. What they need to do is trade and sign any OL off the scrapheap and hope someone sticks.

I'll laugh if Hudson ends up like all the other great cheap prospects of the Sox such as Reed and McCarthy. I've never seen a guy so overvalued in my life. I get the feeling that people would take "6 cheap years of Dan Hudson" over 2 years of Doc Halladay because he was cheaper. And Rick Hahn, while seemingly a nice fellow, is overrated on this board as well.