Rowand44

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) It's easier to find a hard working CF who would do anything to help the team, who is both solid offensively and great defensively then it is to find a IF who thinks he is a power hitter and swings for the fences on every at bat. I like AROW and I will continue to like him when he leaves. Do I like him more then I like the Sox? No. Uribe still has to prove he can come to camp in shape. He also needs to find a shorter swing. IMO AROW is a better player at this stage of his career. Just because I think Aaron is a better player then Uribe doesn't mean I like him more then the Sox. AROW has the potential to walk into next year and become a star and it's going to bite us on the ass if he does. It's harder to find a 25 year old shortstop who can bat .285 and hit you 25 homeruns that also has the potential to be a gold glove shortstop. If aaron hits the way he did last year he'll be locked up midseason.

QUOTE(Winnin Ugly @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) I dont think Chicago reporters are not that good breaking stories. It was the NYPost who reported that the Sox was about to sign Orlando Hernandez and also NYPost mention that the Whitesox were close to signing Iguchi... KNBR mention it first that the Sox were going to sign AJ WU, did they say anything else besides that the sox were interested in ray??

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) Juan Uribe needed to prove he could do it again. Arow was about a career .280 hitter before coming into this season. This was nothing more then KW lowballing a player who deserved more. What happens when Rowand does repeat and he commands even more money? KW is going to lose him for nothing and he is going to end up being a superstar somewhere else. Yes he'll eventually leave like all of the other great Sox players who the team is too cheap to keep (except Frank Thomas) and yes I will still remain a Sox fan after he's gone. It's just so frustrating that they would cheap out on AROW yet give a long term contract to a guy who hasn't proven half of what AROW has. Give me a break Jeckle. It's easier to find an Aaron Rowand then it is to find a Juan Uribe, they didn't lowball him so give that s*** up. Like I said before it seems to me you care more about your favorite players then you do about the team.

QUOTE(CubKilla @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) Please no Ray "I fancy myself as a power hitter" Durham. He's MLB's equivalent to Willie Mays Hayes. Ray hits some homeruns but the guy also always has a high obp, I wonder if someone could find the amount of runs per game that the giants averaged with ray and what they did without him, I'd be willing to bet they scored a whole bunch more with him.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 11:17 AM) I disagree. Aaron Rowand is the heart and soul of this team. Without his hard nose style of play and attitude we aren't contenders at all last year. Hell we aren't even pretenders. You didn't answer my question. Aaron is a great player and Kenny has offered him a contract extension he didn't accept. Why offer him more money as of right now when he's had 1 good year and it's not like he's eligible for free agency after this year. Right now it's in the best interest of the team to not just throw money at Aaron, trust me I want him locked up also but not for a huge price until he proves he can do it for 2 years in a row.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 11:12 AM) Look at the message under my Avatar... ----> AROW is one of the best pure talents to ever come out of the White Sox organization and if KW drops the ball and fails to sign him then he should be fired on the spot. You really like your favorite players more then the team, don't you??

QUOTE(TLAK @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 11:04 AM) Willies not old enough to play in San Fran Good point.

QUOTE(Leonard Zelig @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 10:58 AM) I wouldn't mind seeing Ray come back, how much $$$ does he make? Wow, didn't realize this but he made 7.2 million last year. Anyways what would the sox have to give up to acquire Ray, I like the makeup of the team and unless the sox were giving up something like Willie and Adkins I wouldn't want to give up anything on the major league roster.

QUOTE(Winnin Ugly @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 10:55 AM) It is being reported here in San Fran on KNBR that the Whitesox are very intersted acquiring Ray Durham from the Giants. Not to sure who the Giants are asking for in return... Interesting, he's had some injury problems the last couple of years but when healthy he still gets on base and can still run a bit, very interesting..............

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 09:53 PM) Relax guys....it is just Cairo If we do not get Iguchi, I bet KW will get someone MUCH better than Cairo at the trade deadline Chill fellas....geez, the way some of you hyperbole someone like Cairo, it seems like he is Barry Bonds It is ok if we have one hole going into the season. Our division is not that strong to worry about to begin with It's not a hole, it might be the biggest weakness we have on the team right now but it's definitely not a hole.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 09:49 PM) If Cairo is only getting 900K from the Mets, Cora should barely make 500K from another team. If they're letting the Mets grab Cairo for less than a million, it tells me they might be in higher pursuit of Iguchi than we think... I hope your right but there is that chance that they never had any interest in Cairo.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 09:06 PM) nope I am a full season ticket holder (4 seats ) parking pass and Stadium club. Looks like I have another call to make on monday. Full-partial what's the difference I think that's why though, I think the season ticket holders have to wait for some reason.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) What? your kidding? I tlaked to my rep today and he said thye are not even to print until the end of the month. Nope, not joking. Quick you're a partial season ticket holder right?? I think that probably has something to do with it, I got the 13(well it's actually 14) game package. Like I said I'm very excited, first opening day for me

QUOTE(Mr. Zero @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 08:48 PM) Eh, I just figured they'd be difficult to get. I'm planning on getting some the day they start selling tickets. I'd assume you would be able to get atleast a couple, I got all my tickets in the mail today, very exciting and I'll be going to opening day also

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 01:57 PM) I said I think! I didn't say I know. That means I have my doubts. I give him a better than 50% chance. KW did not spend 1M on Davis because he thinks he's a bumb. He did have a solid month last year & ST is about a month long so I think he can do it. AJ slumped in Sep so that only helps Davis' chances. Hitting alone is NOT going to decide who's 1st string. Defense & pitcher's era will also play a factor. Poo Hah! Ben Davis has a 0 percent chance of being the starting catcher this year.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 08:07 AM) It's not really odd. In fact, it makes very good business sense for both of these guys. Dye and AJ both have seen their values drop [dye to injury, AJ to his reputation]. The Sox are a good fit for both to up their values. They'll play in a hitter's park, on a team with solid pitching and that contends for the playoffs every yr, and in a major city. If they perform up to their capabilities, put in the hard work etc, they'll get contracts [from the Sox or elsewhere] that will reward them much better than going to a team like Tex, or TB. Beck, by odd I mean odd to me like I said I'm not used to free agents signing on the southside for such good values, I just absolutely love to see this, what you said makes perfect sense to me but like I said I'm just not used to that happening, just very glad to see it

QUOTE(Sox1422 @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 07:56 AM) Seems that the Sox still have a little money to play with if they are truly going to have a payroll in the 72-75 million range. I would think if they reaaly wanted Iguchi they would maybe bump up their offer a million or so. They might if they have to but Kenny is probably trying to get him at the lowest price possible, he doesn't want to bid against himself and at this point I do think the sox are the only team truely interested so it wouldn't surprise me if Iguchi's agent is trying to get Kenny to do exactly that. We'll see what comes of these negotiations but if Tadahito really wants to play in America he'll be a part of the White Sox, imo.

Very odd, it seems like two guys(dye and aj) signed with the sox when they got better offers elsewhere. That's something I definitely love to hear and something I don't recall happening for the White Sox in quite a while, props to Jermaine and aj for not just caring about money. With the current market the sox have signed some very good players for a very good value, very impressive imo.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 07:42 AM) I think its the sox public negotiating stance. They're forcing Iguchi to accept their offer, come down a little, or they'll move on [to Alex Cora prob]. Iguchi should make a move or he'll be in Japan for another yr, as I don't think another team is willing to take the risk on him the Sox are over 2 yrs. He'll sign if he's smart I agree with you beck. IMO it's the White Sox or he's staying in Japan, they want to know something on his negotations within the next day or two I would assume so if he's out of the question they can move onto Cora or Cairo, jmo.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 07:05 AM) That was such a good game, espcailly since that was that was the year after the Angles won the WS, so it was big time to beat them. God that was such a good game to be at, I remember after that 2nd HR everyone was giving high 5's to everyone around them, the place was nuts. I was there too, that was an awesome game besides that the other great memory I have was Jose's walkoff homer against the Indians last year when the sox were up 8 to 0 and Cleveland ended up bringing it to extras before jose hit the walkoff that was also a fun game to be at. Afterwards coming down the ramp everyone chanting Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose, fun game.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 06:46 AM) Me and CWSOX45 were talking about that at school yesturday. I really think Schmidt is going to be on the market come July. I doubt it, like qwerty said as long as Bonds is healthy they're going to contend.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) Qwerty, I think they are loking for somebody that is fundementally sound in many aspects of the game. Somebody that will do what OZzie and the coaches ask. Soembody that plays hard nosed ball, keeps others involved, always keeps trying, always plays the game hard. That's the reason right there.

I want Iguchi, that way we have our number 2 hitter behind scotty and we can move aaron down.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 07:57 PM) I ahd three or four of the same post too then they would not delete for me. Still does not make sense. If they are not a fan of willie why are they a fan of cora's? Just because of his brother? Intangibles.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 07:45 PM) Per Cbssportsline.com Second baseman Tadahito Iguchi is close to reaching an agreement with the White Sox, says the New York Post. Help may be on the way. Hang in there. That was reported yesterday, get with the program