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QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 11:24 PM) Well I guess its pointless for us to argue about anything, considering we have absolutely no say in what happens to our club. I disagree about that, just here it really makes no different who's slotted in which spot, imo.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 11:18 PM) I keep reading that, best case scenario, he pitches at the end of 2005. The Cubs will pay him minimum if he does not pitch this season, w/ a $2 mil (team) option for 2006. That's a gamble that's EASILY worth it, imo. The Sox scored w/ Ellis Burks, why not give it a go w/ Lieber or Williamson? I'll agree with you on that jackie that it was a decent gamble for the cubs because when scott is healthy he's a damn good pitcher. Who knows though if he'll ever be completely healthy again his elbow seems real messed up.

Guys, no offense but this is kind of a pointless argument to argue who is the 4th or 5th guy, if ozzie isn't skipping starts it really doesn't matter at all.

QUOTE(Man Of Steel @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:58 PM) I agree with you 100% that Contreras needs to be the 5th starter Why does it matter??

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:49 PM) #@$@#%&~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They got Williamson for a song. He is just tremendous when he's right. Hell, even wrong this year, he was better than ever. Damnit, I was really hoping the Sox would get him. Worst f***ing outcome. Williamson won't even pitch this year.

QUOTE(Goldmember @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) Once again, awesome goldy

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) Well, that is not a good sign. I wonder who voted for Contreras

I consider the 5th starter to be Jon but this year it really doesn't matter. Ozzie at soxfest said that he doesn't plan on skipping starts this year so it really doesn't matter who the number 5 guys is imo, but if I was asked who the sox 5th starter is, I'd say Jon.

Didn't mean to start an argument here, guys. Just saying it's something the sox might look into.

I don't think they should be paid, one of the beauties of College sports is the purity of the games. However I think it's ridiculous how players could get penalized if their coach buy's them dinner or something stupid like that.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 09:22 PM) i say no way in hell we ditch garland... i mean at worse he is good for 12 wins right... while it isnt what we expect from him he is still a solid starter and you just dont ditch those guys... if we lose anyone or take them from the rotation next year its going to be one of the cubans more likely El Duque. But im really hoping this is the year Garland can get his era maybe low 4's and 15-16 wins... that would be sweet.. He did outpitch Santana once last year we won 2-1 off a Carlos Lee HR in the 1st inning... that alone is enough for me to keep him I'm not saying it's going to happen nor do I really expect it, but it is a possibility. Lets just say one of the pitchers goes down for a bit mid season, Bmac steps in and shows he can atleast pitch in the big leagues and Jon continues to win 12 ball games. They'd atleast have to look into the possibility of non tendering Jon.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) This is a put up or shut up year for Garland. I'm tired of the "he's still young" excuses. He's been here since what, 2000? Time to either start producing consistently or HE GONE! It should be interesting with Jon next year, all the other 4 starters are locked up through 06 and he's arbitration eligible and with Bmac on the way I agree it's definitely put up or shut up time for him. I like Jon alot as the number 5 guy because he'll be one of the best 5th starters in baseball however if Brandon is ready I wouldn't be surprised to see Jon get non tendered to free up some cash but who knows, should be interesting........

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 06:45 PM) That's very debatable. Clemens=more wins, K's RJ=better ERA If you look at their career's as a whole, I'd have to say Roger has been a little better and the best of this generation, however if I had to pick a guy to pitch one game there are a couple of guys I'd pick before roger such as Pedro, Rj and Maddux, good debate though.

QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 06:43 PM) I certainly am. Why is everyone so excited about him? No one here's ever seen him play. His number weren't as good as Kaz Matsui's in Japan, so who's to say he's going to perform here. The only time he's seen major league pitching was in that MLB All-Stars vs. Japan All-Stars series, and he bombed big-time. Shinjo and Taguchi weren't ever good in Japan so I wouldn't compare Iguchi to either. As far as not being as good as Matsui in Japan, Tadahito's last couple of years were better then anything Kaz did batting average and obp wise and we wouldn't need him to supply power. I like Iguchi because I think he'd be a nice fit behind spod in the order.

Think of it this way Krush if Illinois doesn't make it to the championship game then you'll have something to get your mind off of it. This happened last year too, I kind of miss the format a couple years back when opening day was a week before because the first week of the season I was on spring back that was pretty nice. As for this year I'll be at opening day, I'm really looking forward to it, it'll be my first time at an opening day and it's kind of extra special because it's the first game of the year, I really can't wait

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 06:51 PM) Kline is now on the orioles so he has some competition for best left handed reliever in the american league this year. Ya aj, when I wrote that steve was the first guy I gave consideration to when it used to be Guardado but as long as marte gets back to previous form I'd take him over Kline, jmo.

Jas, what do you think of weaver as a pitcher?? I have never seen him pitch and am interested on what kind of player he would turn out to be.

QUOTE(bulokis @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 04:51 PM) Scott Williamson signs with the cubs. Dont know how healthy he is though. He'll probably be out all season, if he was actually healthy this would have been a good pick up for the cubs but he's not, so........

QUOTE(JimH @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 04:47 PM) Per Rotoworld, Roberto Hernandez to the NY Mets on a minor league deal. Well....he's not very good anymore but the mets do need something in their pen, this won't hurt them.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 04:10 PM) Thats a key slot because 15 and lower does not give up first round compensation for free agent signings. I think the Sox did lose there 2nd round draft pick for signing El Duque or Hermanson, I forget which, but If I recall we signed one guy that had been offered arbitration. It was orlando.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) This is great news. Everything said at Soxfest by both Kenny and Posednik seemed to indicate that Luis has damn good stuff. Ya, scotty called his stuff electric and Hawk called Luis, Jose

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 04:16 PM) So what if he can't close? If it comes down to it that Marte has to close, that means we're in a lot worse shape than we all think (and I doubt that happens, even if Shingo falters). Here's how I see it going down if Shingo fails. Hermy will be given the first shot, then they'll give it to Vizcaino if Hermanson fails. If Vizcaino fails as well, that means we've all really overestimated how good our bullpen is, and we're going to have about zero shot at the playoffs. Just because a guy can't close doesn't mean he isn't good. Find me a better bargain just about anywhere in the major leagues than Marte @ less than 1.5 million (I'm pretty sure he makes less than 1.5, though I could be wrong). I'm with you on this one. Damaso is the best left handed reliever in the american league. He had an off year last year and he was still pretty darn good, if we got Damaso back to his form from 2 years ago which I think we will then he is absolutely lights out.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jan 17, 2005 -> 11:53 PM) Wow that's an awesome name to have on a Sox board. He's got the matching colors and everything! Do you know if it's true that Venom's going to be the next villian in Spiderman 3? I've heard he isn't but I'd love to see that, venom rocks.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 01:57 PM) Some guy at the Sunday Q&A suggested moving Pauly to 3rd and starting Frank at first. Now can you imagine starting Carl at 2nd on top of that? Cmon 2k5, it worked for his xbox team

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2005 -> 08:47 AM) The 6th playoff position is going to be the ideal slot to be in this year. No doubt, that's the spot I've really been hoping the bulls can somehow slide into.