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There is another issue that could come back to bite the sox in the ass in a similar fashion to the Astro's with JD Martinez. That is having too much talent that needs to be protected at the major league level and still needs runway for evaluation. The Astro's front office even said losing Martinez was because they were a victim of their own success, id prefer the sox have the foresight with waves of talent hitting, that way they can evaluate everyone properly instead of having a Martinez situation happen to them, its also another reason I highly doubt they want someone like Glasnow and would prefer Keller all things being equal.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) Has he ever even caught before? Scouts feel he could and its in his bloodlines.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) I really think Washington tried to land free agent relievers but failed to sign any of them. Now they are sulking back to the White Sox complaining they can't pay money or prospects but want Robertson. Sox know they have the advantage because the Nats really do need him. Eventually I think they will bite the bullet and offer up a respectable package that includes either Fedde or Soto (likely Soto) plus another piece, which would be a quality move for the Sox We will eat 6-8 million of the contract to help offset some cost, and done deal I agree that washington failed to deliver on a closer but I don't think they're getting off the hook that easy. Mark Melancon is nearly the same age as Robertson and if you go buy WARP he put up 1.8 last year between the pirates and nats and 1.3 the year before while actually having confident catching and managing. David Robertson during that same stretch 1.7 and 1.5. Point I'm trying to make is based off this off season Robertson's contract is actually slightly under market as Melancon is going to make 15.5 for the next four years where as Robertson is going to make 12 and 13 respectively. If the sox want a great return then yes they'll likely kick in money and they should as his contract is dead money and its one of the ways to leverage an advantage now that caps are in place for nearly avenue of talent acquisition outside of free agency and international free agents that are over a certain age. I don't think the sox should be targetting the Stevensons' and Severino's of the world, they're going to need waves of talent to make this successful for a rebuild and would be better served aiming higher than a back up catcher with questionable framing and a middling starter / speedy 4th outfielder that can defend. I would like to see Hahn deliver something like this. Robertson and Lawrie to the nats for Kieboom, Soto, Luzardo and Watson. Nats get to keep Robles as the heir apparent to harper and pitching depth in Feede and Cole and their back up catcher in Severino. Sox get good high ceiling low floor assets across the board in Kieboom who could be moved off SS to 3B or C, Soto who is likely ticketed for LF and two left handed arms in Luzardo that had TJ and is coming back and Watson who has a lot of projection left.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 02:58 PM) Severino is fine. We gain in that we get a very likely MLB level catcher. But he'd also very likely be a catcher we constantly want to upgrade over. Wouldn't mind a higher upside guy. I feel the same, Severino is fine but if everything breaks right hes a back up on this team with Collins. I would prefer the sox eat as much of the contract to get the best package. If the nats have such a weak bench as well I would include Lawrie as it opens up spots for some final looks at Sanchez and Davidson once Frazier is moved. if the sox eat no money I would expect Erick Fedde + Tyler Watson if the sox include a healthy amount of money I don't see why Robles couldn't be on the table.

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 07:35 AM) Martes/Tucker/Reed/Stubbs is what I would do. I'm on a similar page Martes/Tucker/Reed/Stubbs/Laureano and we close the book on it and ship Jennings with Q as Tony Sipp is the only LHP in their BP right now ,he of the near -1WAR last year. Tucker/Laureano/Basabe/Call/Fisher make for exciting outfield prospects to follow. Additionally maybe one of Tilson/Liriano/W. Garcia show something at the major league level.

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QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 01:39 AM) No, no, that's WAY light, IMO. I would go for Alford, Urena, Tellez, McGuire. Look at the Ken Giles trade, Astros traded two top 100 prospects, plus their 2nd RD pick that year, plus another arm. agreed Giles got the #43 ranked prosect in RHP Mark Appel , #69 overall RHP Vincent Velasquez, a back end starting prospect in RHP Thomas Eshelman & spot starter / LOOGY in LHP Brett Oberholtzer for Giles. If I'm Hahn I would hold out for a package like Alex Verdugo, Gavin Lux and Keibert Ruiz from the Dodgers.

I think the sox could get a back end top 100 prospect for Robertson with out eating any of his salary as well as a lotto ticket right now, something like Richard Urena & Max Pentecost, if Robertson is healthy and able to recreate his 2015 or the sox eat some of his contract of some combination of both I think they could upgrade their return a bit more at the deadline.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 08:39 PM) Good call. Don't know what happened to him last year with his walk rate sky rocketing. Been following him for a few years and he had pretty good control so I'm hoping that maybe his arm was a little tired from building up his innings over the last few years. Thanks, I just get a very Jaime Garcia vibe from him and I feel there is still a bit of projection left in his frame and the ability to add a tick to his fastball and maintain in the low mid 90s instead of maxing out. I think he repeats AA dominates and moves up to AAA in a very crowded rotation, likely getting some time out of the bullpen late in the year and 1 or 2 starts but impressing along the way.

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If rumbunter's right and Hahn had/has the deal on the table, good for him for holding out. Meadows / Bell / Keller and Q is in the black and gold.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) Oh Keith Law feels that two highly talented pitchers the White Sox have are relievers, huh? Well that doesn't sound familiar at all. Seriously not even going on the f*** keith law rant, but his view of the sox system is completely half empty, in half years time we're going to look back at the '16 draft like the red sox did on their '11 draft and comments with regards to Collins not being able to stay at catcher are a joke too we heard that time and time again with flowers. the sox get a lot of s*** with regards to position player development but rather recently they've shown they can develop catchers that stay behind the dish, Flowers, Stewart and Phegley all come to mind and the book is still out on Omar Narvaez. I'm not saying the sox system is #1 at this current juncture but I am saying that by the deadline and likely after the Q trade there will be no doubt its number one and by a few orders over the likes of the braves and yankees.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) I hope he does, then we move to extend him for 5 years because a late 20s hitter with 30+ HR/season power at a corner OF spot would be an absolutely ideal piece to have hitting 5th with guys like Moncada, Anderson, Collins, and Meadows in the top 4 in the lineup. Put the dynamic guys on base and then there's a guy to drive them in right at his peak production years. two big ifs but sure, if he delivers on his promise and if he is open to a cheap extension then yes i wouldn't be against keeping him. If he delivers and isn't then he gawn.

QUOTE (ypres @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 03:24 PM) I have no stats to back this up, but I feel like he's going to have a break out offensive year. I hope he does, then I hope Hahn turns around and moves him ala Kris Davis as his personal window doesn't match up with the future core even with his age.

Should Pirates give up prospects for Quintana?

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) They could really use a platoon LF couldn't they...maybe Melkster. Thats what I was thinking as well, Melky and MiGo make a lot of sense, especially if the sox eat all of melky's remaining contract, I think there is enough value there to get something interesting back.

After Quintana is moved I would like to see them sign Brett Anderson as another lefty to flip at the deadline along with holland, use Beck, Covey and Danish as spot starters and pen pieces till the pieces in rotation are moved or DFA'd and they get the extra year of control from Giolito, Fulmer & Lopez.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 01:41 PM) Saunders to Phils. Stove is hot today. So where does that leave the Jays in terms of needs even if they reup with Bautista?

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 01:55 PM) Especially in division I agree they would demand the same alleged package the Astro's were offering for Archer, and again he has just as many health issues as the rest of their rotation and only has three years of control.

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QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 15s Sources: Danny Duffy and the Kansas City Royals have agreed on a five-year, $65 million contract extension. One less potential SP to grab now. link C'Mon Houston, time to pony up! How I imagine Hahn at the sound of this news

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QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 02:17 AM) Q to Cubs is what I want as well. Jimenez, Happ, Cease, Candelario, and Chesny Young for Q, Robertson and $8 M. I think this is a great trade for both sides, it's a shame because there seems to be a stigma for trading with the Cubs these days. Replace young with Caratini and i could get there..all the switch hitters.