Dick Allen

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 07:44 PM) Sale's really the only guy I couldn't see moving. If you are going to be bad for 5 years, he is the one who makes most sense to move.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 03:16 PM) Did Tom Kelly ever have a team whose fundamentals were as poor as the 2013 Chicago White Sox? Yes.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) Losing is probably what's best for the organization based on how the first few months have gone, but it doesn't mean we don't want to see development by players that can help the club in the future (ie: Flowers' catching ability, Viciedo being able to hit RHP, etc.). When the same stupid mistakes happen game after game and no one is held accountable, it's frustrating to see as a fan. I understand the buzzword this season is accountability, but they have given everyone on the roster a shot and the same things occur when they come in as well. Since we are not in the clubhouse, it seems unfair to think there is no conversation going on. It's not like Alexei Ramirez has had his head completely in the game his entire career up until now. I also think complaining about accountability is ironic coming from message boards where no one is held accountable for their numerous errors. We all make many of them but we all go on like it we are never wrong.

What I don't understand is the posters who think losing is the best still complain when they lose. Shouldn't the losing make you happy if that is what you think is best?

QUOTE (Hawkfan @ Jun 20, 2013 -> 12:37 PM) Hawk off the record " Carlos Gomez would fix everything". Carlos has been doing a pretty good Mike Trout impression this season.

To gain compensation for Crain, you would have to offer him a 1 year deal for over $12 million. That isn't going to happen.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 07:29 PM) Well, whatever we were going to get is quickly disappearing, the window closing a bit. There was at least THE IDEA he could bring us back something...a couple of weeks ago. Not really. His stuff is short. There is no reason to think he ever was destined for long term success. He can help a pitching staff, and was very good for the Sox in stretches, but he never was somone you would get anything more than a marginal prospect. He woth more to the Sox than what they could get back for him, and who knows how much that even is. He has been a master at getting out of jams but that catches up to you eventually.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 07:25 PM) The way this season is going, any idea of trading Axelrod and getting any kind of decent return is being wiped out as well. First Floyd, then Peavy, we might as well have all our assets fizzle to make it the perfect storm of a season. Axelrod would never get you much of a return.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 07:22 PM) Peavy played under Bruce Bochy the Giants manager. They also seem like they could really use a SP. I like their uniforms, don't know if I'd like their prospects though. Hope they have someone good. Dylan Axelrod would be a big improvement for them right now. We can do that. Axe is getting lit up again tonight. He wouldn't fetch much. He is ome guy who is probably worth more to the Sox than what they could ever expect to get back for him.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 18, 2013 -> 05:58 PM) You pretended my statement didn't happen. Are you ok with Santiago going back to the bullpen? You worry about that when the time comes. These things usually work themselves out eventually. I think whoever is traded is going to be based on the return. It would be silly to move anyone just to save money. They need to get talent back. And to whoever thinks Ramirez has to go, who exactly is going to play SS? Not just the rest of this year, but for the next couple of years? The Sox have so little in house, Ramirez has to play all the time, and it's not like starting SS are abundantly available in the trade market. The Sox will be dumping some guys, but I think it will be the guys that weren't coming back in 2014. I think Peavy stays, rios stays, Ramirez stays, Reed stays, Paulie probably stays.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jun 15, 2013 -> 08:55 AM) I agree the great plays are nice and great, but I rather have a steady shortstop that makes all the routine plays and few a few awesome than the other way around. The awesome plays happen one in ten. You win with steady heads up players, I know thàt is obvious.. I tend to agree, he is very frustrating, and the dissappearance of his power is baffling to me. I remember when they signed him a scout was posting here and said he was Omar Infante with less power. Now he really is. I just think there are more important things to address than SS, at the moment, and it is also a very hard position to find someone better.

Youk back on the DL. He has been hurt and awful. The Sox did play the Youk card perfectly. Gave up nothing to get him, paid him very little, and discarded him when they would have had to pay him to be awful and injured.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jun 15, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) Not trying to be awesome. Just saying, that the signs were there. Maybe you should have posted your comment in green next time....... Alexei playing with his head up his ass is nothing new, and doesn't take a genius to notice. You have to live with the bad plays because the great ones still occur.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 12, 2013 -> 05:10 PM) Last thing they wanted is fans leaving for the game around 5PM today with the prediction of horrendous storms. Yes. Obvioisly many with tickets wouldn't have come if it was a perfect day because of the Hawks, but they aren't calling it because of that. Make up date crowds tend to be weak as well, and I think the attendance people here really overestimate walk up sales. I think 2500 is the biggest walk up crowd of the past 2 years. Most of the tickets the Sox are going to sell, they have sold.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 12, 2013 -> 04:53 PM) I know there's history, and i dont care, you don't hit the other pitcher, and if you really feel like you have to, you don't go after his recently surgically repaired shoulder. that's just pathetic. If said pitcher is throwing at your guys, he is the best target. What is the difference between what made ZG throw at someone and his hitting Quentin, when many said Quentin was out of line, no one tries to hit you 0-2? Wasn't it 0-2 when Puig got hit? Greinke got what he deserved from Quentin, and he got what he deserved here.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 09:39 PM) Dunn hit it right to shortstop....and the shortstop was there. What? Vs. lefties they don't shift at least as much.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 09:33 PM) Rongey prepping his Thornton defense case as we speak Should be interesting.

How come Marty never posts when the Sox are on a winning streak?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 09:02 PM) I'll ask again, have you seen every single mistake they've made tonight? Our offense and our fundamentals are hopeless. Sometimes, I think the coaching staff is hopeless. We still have the pitching. Just like the Royals, who actually lead the AL in ERA, a lot of good that's done them...since their best hitting prospect is playing in AAA for the Rays. The offense has been better the last week or so. The problem now is every error is magnified on this board. Ther have been too many of them, but it has been better lately, except tonight has been tough. I will say Alexei getting doubled off would have happened to just about everyone because even if you know the SS is playing right behind 2nd, when you see a liner up the middle your first instinct is going to be toward 3rd, and one step that way and you are dead.

Beckham's outs have been hit hard for the most part simce he's been back.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 08:54 PM) The Blue Jays are TERRIBLE, except for Encarnacion and Bautista. Wang is TERRIBLE. There's no reason we would be winning this game if we weren't playing one of the worst teams in baseball. It's not a team that's going to be able to compete with the Tigers, not without Konerko and Peavy. Have you watched the entire game? Have you seen each of the 7 mistakes they've made? It's BAD. And they are winning. They damn near swept the A's, a team your posts leading up to the actual games gave them no chance to win one. I understand you think the Sox suck, and the situation is hopeless. You post it 500 times a day. If it is so horrible, why do you continue to subject yourself to it?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 08:48 PM) This organization needs a complete reboot. Has simply gotten stale (veterans like Ramirez, Keppinger and DeAza) and old, in the case of Konerko. It's like they've completely forgotten how to play in the past 9 1/2 months. Just watching the Dodgers with the injection of excitement coming from Puig...there needs to be SOMETHING to wake this team up from its stupor. Nevermind the Sox have won 3 in a row and are winning this one.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 05:45 AM) Can't blame Emery. You have a new coach and a guy who has a lot to prove no shows OTA's. No brainer. I don't have any inside knowledge, but it seems he probably was told he was going to be moved. Personally, I wish the Bears had kept him. I think he still can be a good player if he can get healthy.

Ventura has never said he doesn't want the job. In fact, the only thing he said about it was during spring training when he said he liked it more than he thought. His demeanor hasn't changed. It was the same when he was playing. He basically said the other day, he is managing out his comtract, then they will talk about another. The comclusions being made because he turned down an extension are proposterus. How it is ovvious to anyone here that he doesn't want the job, is crazy unless you have talked to him and he told you so. The other thing I don't understand is the Dave Martinez love. The guy has interviewed for several jobs and hasn't been offered one. If standing next to Maddon makes him so skart, how is Ventura so dumb when he has played for Torborg, Lamont, Valentine and Torre?

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 10:34 AM) Check out Edwin's FIP, and then come back and amend your statement. Check out Nate Jones' FIP and then tell me why Ventura shouldn't use him.