Dick Allen

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 07:56 PM) I don't expect each trade to go perfectly, which is why making more trades hedges you risk. Let's say hypothetically Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones can all land four prospects. Let's assume on average 50% of prospects acquired via trade bust. Trade all four guys and you have a decent chance of ending up with 8 productive players across the deals. But only trade one guy and you could realistically end up with anything from four hits to four misses. The more trades we make, the less randomness comes into play. So again, who would you trade is this rebuild was up to you? IMO, you pretty much have to move three of Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones. Those are our big four trade chips and the only ones who will land elite prospects. If you don't move enough of them, then all we're doing is a half-ass rebuild and I'm not sure we get better in the long-run. As for Eaton specifically, I'm not sure you'll get fair value for him. And quite frankly, I'm not sure you need it. Even if the rebuild goes well, you're talking about 2 or 3 seasons before we are competitive. So if we hold onto Eaton, we're throwing away two or three years of his surplus value. There is a point in negotiations where maybe you don't quite get fair value, but that you get enough in return that you still feel it's the better move long-term. And let's not ignore the fact that Eaton is at peak value right now, so there is a bit more incentive in moving him now. Adam Eaton was a 6.0 WAR player. He is signed for the next 5 seasons for a total of $38 million. What is this losing surplus value? His highest salary the next 5 years is in year 5 when he is due $10.5 million. If you aren't getting surplus value and you trade him, you should be fired immediately. It would be a trade just to make a trade. People love prospects until they bust. Eaton and Davidson were ranked almost the same as prospects when they were acquired. One is a 6.0 WAR player, one won't be a 6.0 WAR player cumulatively for his career. You hold on to Eaton unless you are blown away with a can't miss package. 2 or 3 years from now he still will be signed for multiple seasons, at a huge bargain.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) I'm not sure I understand your point here. Who are you suggesting stick around? It's guys like Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones who will actually bring back value. If you're going to rebuild, you should definitely move them or what is the point? And there's really no reason to hold onto the guys with one or two years left like Robertson, Frazier, or Melky. And acquiring a larger sample of prospects definitely mitigates your overall bust risk. My point is trading everyone who is good is foolish. The last total rebuild the Sox did was when Larry Himes was the GM. Carlton Fisk stayed. Ozzie Guillen stayed., and then they had the new park to add payroll. Trading Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Jones, all of them may wind up being pretty foolish. It is fine if you expect each trade to go perfectly, but that is pretty unlikely. Eaton has 5 years left. Do you really think you will get something that turns out better?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:17 PM) Potential stop-gappy type of players who could take a 1-year deal to try to bounce back: Colby Rasmus (OF) Carlos Gomez (OF) Pedro Alvarez (DH) Kendrys Morales (DH) Ryan Hanigan (backup C or just bring him in on a minor league deal; could possibly be a mentor to young catchers in camp) Just skimming the list of free-agents, I wanted to include some older players (Holliday, Beltran, Utley) but figured they would look to try to win one more time. Also didn't want to waste time listing pitchers as there seem to be many as options. Yeah, the older guys are probably looking to win, and the guys you mentioned are looking to be regulars and hopefully make themselves another contract.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) I think reality is we would see better players but they would be young (benintendi) and unreliable. Will still be really bad early on. Many of the rumored position players are likely starters on our team. It's one thing if you have a top prospect or 2 sprinkled in. But that line up is beyond putrid. It's one thing to be bad. It's another thing to be lucky to win 40 games bad.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) If you are rebuilding, no real good reason to keep him. Trade him for a lottery ticket and figure out if Sanchez is ever going to be an everyday player. Theres also a decent chance that they get a quality SS back in one of their rebuilding deals, and that could displace Anderson. If the team is rebuilding I have no problem running out: SS Anderson 3B Saladino DH Garcia RF Liriano 1B Davidson 2B Sanchez LF Coats C Navarez CF Tilson The team won't win a ton, but you can figure which guys are going to be long term pieces and which are never going to amount to anything. I am sure at least 3 of those guys will be displaced by players coming back in trades and they probably won't trade all of their vets. If you are going to be bad, be really bad and get some extra bonus money in the draft. That would be one of the worst teams in the history of the league. You and whoever they were playing and their fans would be the only ones who didn't have a problem with that line up. I understand the concept of rebuilding. I understand why some really want it, and some thing a step or two back makes sense, but it's clear you don't spend much money if any on White Sox baseball if you are OK with that line up. Many still do. I don't spend a lot, but many still do. They won't if they got it up the ass like that.

There is one gigantic flaw in trading everybody for prospects. Prospects bust, so even if you do well, you still are going to have to fill in holes with competent players. Unlike the Cubs, they can't spend $400 million filling in those areas. A couple of these guys are going to have to stick around.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) We're going to bring back jobs. We're going to have so many jobs. We're going to have the best jobs. Pretty much the same thing he promised Gary, IN when they gave him the riverboat there.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) Understood, but see the quote about the two officials I posted in response to Steve. They also gave him a report about Russian hacks that he quickly dismissed. People quitting their job because of their boss is not something new.

Well, this isn't good. No one wants to work National Security for Trump. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tru...z&ocid=iehp

QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 04:47 PM) More than Illinois is, at least. The Illini need to bring back Jimmy Collins and his fleet of Blazers.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 12:15 PM) I just watched the post-meeting comments from Trump and Obama. Trump seemed slightly overwhelmed and seemed to come away with a want to have Obama's "counsel". He's in over his head, perhaps by having his ass kissed with an olive branch from the respected leader of the free world he'll turn to him for guidance through his presidency. I can only hope. Considering he called Obama the worst President ever, I tend to doubt he really wants his help. I really feel sorry for Barry for having to play nice at this meeting. I can only hope in 4 years Trump has to give the lay of the land to Elizabeth Warren. That would be a classic. I think the meeting did last for 10 or 15 minutes. The rest of the time was coming up with what they were going to say.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:52 AM) No I said that all these people calling half of our country racist need to get off their high horse. It's like when you tell a four year old they can't have something and they call you mean. Calling half of our country racist is just as bad as being racist. Maybe not half, but a good portion of the country is racist. That would have been true if Hillary won. What this election does is empower some of them, at least in their minds.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 10:09 AM) So am I supposed to feel reassured that we're hearing rumblings of folks like Palin, Arpaio, Giuliani, and a climate change denier for EPA, as part of Trump's cabinet? Is it possible to find a group of more divisive and incompetent people? That's the thing. It just keeps getting worse. When Florida goes underwater, the only good thing will be Mara logo goes under with it. But we won't even be able to enjoy that. Trump is using global warming as an excuse to get a sea wall built at one of his golf courses in Ireland.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 08:22 AM) That game should have been played the Saturday after Thanksgiving when the NIU students are home. Northwestern should play there. No one should play there. It wasn't built for football. Why bother?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 06:35 AM) Talk now of Sarah Palin becoming head of the Interior Department. Once the mines are in the Grand Canyon we'll just get used to it. Yep, he's draining the swamp, and what's coming up is swamp things. Guiliani, Gingrich, Christie, now the meth head Sarah Palin. I just wonder how many years it will take cleaning up their 4 years of damage.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 05:43 PM) Soler is type of guy in a rebuild you take a chance on and give him 1000 at bats. Contreras would be the key piece and the Sox catcher for the next half decade And when he is the second coming of Avi Garcia, you call for the GMs head for picking him up.

Kaplan isn't on his show today, but the panel is still drunk on Cubs kool aide. They said the Cubs wouldn't trade Schwarber straight up for Sale.

They switch off songs at the beginning. Thunderstruck is still in the rotation. And they do have an organist. She isn't as good as Nancy Faust, but no one is or was.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) Free or super cheap BC wasn't enough at Planned Parenthood? Don't know. There were a bunch of us at dinner and I don't think she wanted it to get political, she just said, whether you want to believe it or not, it's true, since it's been enacted, that has been one of the results.

2 days before the election, Trump called the electoral college "a disaster for democracy". Turns out he was correct, as always, as it appears Hillary will win the popular vote.

A friend of mine works for a large adoption agency. She said business is getting really slow. There now is so much red tape with foreign adoptions, many countries won't go through it with the US. But what I found interesting is she said since the ACA, there are far less unplanned pregnancies in the US, as women are getting more birth control.

The White Sox were 45-36 at home. It actually wasn't a bad year to attend games.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) Sick people with individual insurance through Obamacare. Once it's gone, and they're never going to get any decent coverage due to pre-existing conditions. C'mon, man. Trump already said it will be replaced by something terrific.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 12:58 PM) They are called "politicians." And there are still 538 of them in Washington that will be making the laws. If they really wanted to "Drain the Swamp," people like McCain wouldn't be reelected. Not because he's a bad representative, but because he is a lifetime politician. That didn't happen. Yes, draining the swamp and bringing in Guilianni, and Gingrich, and Christie into the cabinet doesn't exactly jive.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) Is Omarrossa gonna hold a Cabinet position? It just keeps becoming more and more surreal I doubt it. I think she is his black "beard". He's not racist. He talks to Omarrossa.