witesoxfan

Good point. I guess most of us here just figured that with all the Cubs 1st, 2nd, and 3rd overall picks in the first-year player draft, that this would have come a whole lot sooner. I mean, considering that the last time the Cubs won a playoff game before this was 1989, and the last time they won a playoff game on the road was 1945, I think most of us were expecting it a whole hell of a lot sooner.

I want Konerko the hell out of here....streakiest player on the face of the earth. We can't afford to have him hit .190 in the first half, and we can't afford him to hit .190 in the second half....I don't want him to hit .190 in a half period. We need some consistency from our 1B spot, and he ain't gonna give it to us. Secondly, I though Anaheim would be a great spot for Maggs, personally. They are reportedly interested in Vlad Guerrero, who will probably cost $15 mill a year atleast, so I figure why not trade them Magglio, and get Amezaga, a stud reliever(or in other words, I hope to get one of Percival/Donnelly/KRod[which won't happen]/Weber, though he pitches like a douchebag), or maybe get a fireballer or two from their minor league systems, and then get a SP prospect from them as well. I think something could be worked out. I'd take Erstad if they agreed to pay some of his contract too....as well as us getting some decent players too. Worst case scenario, we have ourselves a decent 1Bman. Best case, he gets healthy, stays healthy, and puts up some pretty damn good numbers.

I know I am simplifying this, but if our players just tried to hit line drives and go the other way and move runners over, i can almost guarantee you that we would be in the playoffs right now. These players are capable. It's true. My dad still can't believe the Twins are in the playoffs and the Sox choked like they did against Minny. I then explained to him that he didn't see the swing the Sox were putting on the balls. He was in Washington at the time.

I think Cleveland is going to be a factor in the AL Central sooner than alot of people think. I think they may be a factor in the AL Central next year. A couple signings, and they are f***ing good again. Their bullpen is about as lights out as it gets, their rotation is young, but solid, they have a manager with a clue....the only thing they need is more offense then they got last year.....wouldn't take much to add to that. They will be a dangerous team next year....and could possibly win 75-80 games.....and maybe even more then that too.

JMHO here, but I think we could do that very easily. You telling me Alomar, Lee, Ordonez, Everett, Valentin, and Olivo couldn't steal the bases, play aggressively, and become better baserunners overall? That we couldn't have gotten Rowand, Graffy, and Harris involved in the game more? Or thar more bunting couldn't have happened? How about the hit-and-run? We could have done a ton of those things more often...and I didn't even scratch the surface of NL style of play. It's all a matter of execution. We couldn't do it very often, because we didn't try it very often.

They are most likely jealous of our steal. I mean, Elo home run company? If you're going to make a shirt like that, atleast make it reasonable.....make it so it actually resembles the truth....like, for instance, I believe Colon gave up 30 homers this year. I need no more explanation for my point. Cubs fans are dumbasses....every single one of them.

I think it was more or less just retaliation for what Prior said about St. Louis. If Joe Schmoe says that you're favorite team is full of whores and sluts, are you not going to take a shot at Joe Schmore? I know I would.

Methinks so too.

Good....I didn't want LaRussa anyways. Now Tony can yell at Dusty some more. Had he come to Chicago, he would have only yelled at him 6 times a year. He gets to yell at him 13 more times a year in St. Louis then he does in Chicago.

well i've always tried to practice "Chicago First" Im a diehard soxfan, and I love them waaaaaaay more than the cubs, but if the cubs went... 156-6 and those six loses came against the sox... I would be happy. I'd be happy too... ...so long as Houston/St. Louis/Cincinatti/Pittsburgh/Milwaukee went 157-5 and two teams from one division went 157-5 as well.

Speed is overrated, especially in a first baseman. A power guy shouldn't be hitting infield grounders anyways, thats not his purpose on the club. David Ortiz is a hell of a ballplayer and proved that with Boston this year. He is a good obp% guy and I would love to see a guy with his tenacity on the Sox, the only problem is he will probably be playing with the Red Sox next year. Brad Fullmer would be kind of a pointless addition, you could get an up and coming guy that would put up equivlant numbers at a cheaper price, so I agree with your Hell No to him I guess. Speed won't win ball games, getting on base will, so we should focus on getting some solid line drive hitters this offseason, and not worry about trying to find speedsters. I don't want a speed guy at 1B....I'd much, much rather have a .350 50 150 guy at 1B, or at the very least, a .300 30 100 guy at 1B.....we only had one guy do that this year(and Lee barely frickin did that....well, he may not have hit .300, but it was damn close). What I was saying was trading Konerko and then moving Thomas to 1B, resigning Everett, and having Rowand play CF is something I'd try....but that probably will not happen. What wouldn't be a bad idea is 613's original idea on another thread....signing Orlando Cabrera and Luis Castillo for up the middle. Cabrera is very underrated all around....he won a gold glove in I believe 2000, and he is a pretty damn good offensive player....probably worth $5 mill a year. And Castillo is a pretty damn good leadoff hitter as well, and he is the kind of guy I want when I talk about speedsters. He'll probably make $5, $6 mill tops. Get rid of Konerko and Maggs, and you already have those two(Castillo and Cabrera) plus more(possibly Colon with the "marginal" raise, but probably not). Maybe sign someone cheap to play RF...Reggie Sanders, though not a great OBP guy, does play a solid RF, will put up pretty good numbers(I think he put up like .270 30 100 numbers in Pittsburgh this year, and those numbers could possibly be even better in the AL), he is clutch, and he has some World Series experience, and he'd only make $1 mill or so....tops. And he brings some of that speed I want. I have always liked him a lot, so maybe the reason I want him here is bias, but all the same, I think he's a solid player, and would put up good enough numbers that if we could save $13 mill between him and Maggs, that Maggs would be almost forgotten.

Guzman ain't going anywhere....I mean, who would replace Guzman at SS if they were to hypothetically let him go? Absolutely NO ONE.

Someone ban him I agree f*** the Cubs....I hate those pieces of s*** worse then the Twins. For all I care, the Twins can win the World Series 25 straight times....as long as the Cubs don't win it

Who didn't see this happening today? I still see the Yanks winning in 5. Yanks take the next 2, Twins take game 4, and the Yanks take the finale in Yankee Stadium(which will be the site of their first ALCS loss since 1980, I predict.....to the Red Sox)

What I said was I didn't want someone slower then Konerko who will also strike out 110 times.....but what I meant to say was that I didn't want to see a guy who is slower then Konekro who would strike out 110 times IF HE PLAYED A FULL SEASON. He didn't play in 34 games this year, 37 the year before that, and he missed around one-half of the season before that...whether it be because he just didn't play or because he was hurt(which I know he was in Minnesota). And he is much slower then Konerko is, and is much worse then Thomas is defensely to be quite honest, let alone Paul Konerko who is actually decent with the glove. Don't get me wrong....I would have loved to have had Ortiz's numbers in our lineup. But be honest with me....do you think he would have put those numbers up in our lineup? I personally don't think he would have....he was only in one of the best offenses of this era....you wanna talk about protection in the lineup, that's what you talk about. Also....with this 1 season, his value has probably increased quite a bit. The Red Sox will probably keep him though, so it's not big deal.....we don't even need to worry about it. And I watched him for two years....he is probably slower then Konerko, but at the very least, is the same speed as Konerko. Just because a guy doesn't ground into as many DPs as another doesn't mean he is faster then him. Is Frank Thomas faster then Magglio Ordonez or Carlos Lee? I think not. And Fullmer will strike out....I just said let's watch him strike out. Nothing more, nothing less. You are probably right....but I remember hearing or reading somewhere that the Brewers would be willing to trade Jenkins and Sexson because they make so much....just a little pipedream on my part. I guess the only thing I can think of now is that the Orioles might take Konerko for Jason Johnson. Otherwise, I'm all out of ideas. I'm not sure how much Alomar would cost....but it wouldn't be an incredible amount. Probably $2, $3 mill a year tops, he brings a little spark to the team, and is still one of the best defensive 2Bmen in the game. IMO, he's well worth it. And as far as Castillo is concerned, I figure his range makes up for what his arm doesn't. I assume he has a 2Bman's arm, but he does have great range. His range would probably the same at SS as it is at 2B. And turning the DP would probably be just as easy if not easier then it was with him at 2B. Again, just a little pipedream on my part, and it would have its flaws as well....but it's better then what we had now, and in all likelihood, it would get people wanting Jose back. OK, probably not, lol Again, you're probably right.....however, signing them both isn't impossible(unless Backman is brought in as manager, and it was Everett who made the rude comment towards Everett). At the most, keeping them both would probably be somewhere around $14-16 mill.....which is essentially what we are paying Maggs this year. Apparently, the Angels are interested in Vlad, and if they don't get him, they would most definately be interested in Maggs. Amezaga is the first guy I remember from the Angels, and they always have a few starting prospects in the minors....I'm sure something could be worked out. Maybe we could get something worked out with them then and we could bring back both Everett and Colon....or at the very least, up the ante to Colon and make sure he is in a White Sox uniform next year. And I do want a playoff team next year. I don't know anyone here who wouldn't.

I was gonna post about this....and then slacked off. Me, I have to see what they do this offseason. Seems that KW likes to add a few pieces every year, big and small, and has basically come out and said that he's gonna do it again. If they don't add speed....forget about it.....they have no chance.

It's a sick, sad, funny world we live in, isn't it?

I'm probably too big.

The biggest move and most discussed did not come until today, 4 months too late. Had it come 4 months ago, it STILL would have been too late. It should have been made at the end of last year, or possibly midseason of last year....but JR's cheap ass didn't want to pay for a full two years of JM's contract.

I thought the Padres had enough OFers.....but now that I think of it....they probably would take Maggs. I would love a Greene and Peavy for Maggs deal though, though I would also take Brian Lawrence.

Oh, let's get rid of Konerko and then add David Ortiz, who not only is slower then Konerko(or the same speed atleast), but let's add him so we can watch him STRIKE OUT 110 times a year. Yeah, sounds great. And then let's add Brad Fullmer to watch him strike out, and then have him do a weight training session. Can I get a HELL NO to both of those two? What the White Sox need to do is get rid of one of Thomas and Konerko, and add some major speed to the team. I would not mind seeing the Sox get rid of either of those two, bring back Carl Everett, start Rowand in CF, resign Jose to a less wealthy contract so he can become a super utility player, and then add Luis Castillo while resigning Robby. Use Robby and Castillo up the middle(whoever has the best arm is put at SS obviously), Rowand in CF, Lee in LF, Maggs in RF, Thomas/Konerko at 1B(if it's Thomas, as bad as he is, his defense would be fine there if he produces), have Everett DH, though he can get in the field 2 or 3 times a week, and run a lineup of Castillo, Alomar, Lee, Ordonez, Everett, Thomas, Crede, Rowand, Olivo. If possible, get another LH bat for the middle of the lineup, but if not, don't worry about it(my thinking is Konerko for Jenkins in Milwaukee and then trading Maggs for some pitching....the lineup would then be the same as it is now, only you'd move Everett to 5th, Thomas to 6th, and slip Jenkins in the 7th spot). Hope you can resign Bartolo, and you add a few pieces to the bullpen and....voila!....a decent team.

I hate the Cubs with a passion....as I do the Twins. If the Cubs and Twins get crushed in the ALDS, I'll be happy as hell. I'll actually be able to sleep. You don't know what Twins-Cubs World Series would do to me.....oh man would I be glum.

Personally, if Bartolo resigns, I have no problem with losing Maggs. Just to make my point clear....I fully expect Magglio Ordonez to be on the White Sox next year, or if he is not, it is not because Colon resigned with us.

If we "miraculously" get Tony LaRussa over here, probably not. But if we get a manager with a brain, yes, it will be the end of it. Anyone would be better then that assclown JM. He was nothing more then a mediocre manager at best. 500-471 in like 6 or 7 years? That's terrible. If I'm counting right, that's like 5 games over .500 per year, or in other words, usually somewhere around 84-78 and 83-79.....and he had a year where "he" won 95 games too. So aside from 2000, he was 1 game over .500 for his entire career. Not a second too early...in fact, probably a year or two too late.

I could have sworn we had an option on Gordon. If we do, he's gotta be in a Sox uni next year. He should be in one anyways.