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QUOTE(joeynach @ May 3, 2007 -> 11:08 PM) Im not sure if u want him, well i would for the same deal we gave Vazquez. Ill take Mark for 3 years 33-36 Mil but no more. Hes not a real #1, not a real Ace that just moe people down when you need them. Who make people look silly, who throws pitches that are unhittable. Id rather have an Oswalt, Halladay, Zambrano, Webb, Sabathia, Santana, etc as my big pitcher making big money. Buehrle gives up a ton of hits and IMO any guy throwing 88 mph tops, which he apparently now has trouble doing, is going to have trouble in the AL & will always need to be way too perfect. I love mark, but I love him making no more than 11 mil and being a #2 or lower. Please stop looking to him as the be all end all of pitching, give me Felix Hernandez over MB and any of the above mentioned legit aces. MB for 5 years/70 Mil no thanks not even 4 years 52 Mil. Go get someone that dominates for that price and keeps the ball from being hit in our hitter friendly park. Santana is going to get $22-25 mill a year, and I wouldn't rule out more. Zambrano is going to get $16-18. And I don't know why you'd rather have Oswalt considering his peripherals continue to get worse every single year, though that could be because he's turned into more a control and pitching to contact guy than a strikeout guy. And I'm sick and tired of this ace bulls***, you don't need a f'ing ace to win a World Series, you can have 4 #2's or for #1's who aren't aces, like the Sox had in 2005 or the Angels had in 2002. If he's good, and you have faith in his health, you try your damnedest to resign him. Secondly, though it will be topped in the next 2 years, Barry Zito signed the biggest contract for a pitcher in the history of baseball. He tops out at 90. Third, Buehrle's been throwing 87-90 all year. I don't get where you are saying he's having trouble hitting 88. His velocity has looked better, and his pitches still have movement. And he's always given up a ton of hits, but that has never stopped him from being a great #2-3 pitcher his entire career. His problems have been control and homers; if he can walk around 50 a year, and allow 25 homers a year, he's going to be good even when his H/9 is right around 9. However, if he's allowing more in either of those aforementioned categories, he's going to get hit around. It's that simple. Fourth, I've never made him the end all, be all. I'm just suggesting he's a good candiate to build the rotation around. As much as I love Vazquez, he's too damn streaky, and Garland will never be much more than a mediocre pitcher. Gio is a guy that has that potential, but he's in AA. If Buehrle gets let go, the rotation is probably Contreras, Garland, Vazquez, Danks, and Floyd/Haeger/Phillips/Russell/Gio next year, and that's just s***ty; if that's the rotation, the Sox may as well go into a 3 year rebuilding plan. Finally, yeah, I'll take Felix over Buehrle, but I'll leave it up to you to find me a way to get him without giving up the White Sox top 10 prospects. That's a completely assinine statement, you can't have Felix and you'll likely never get him. Beyond that, the kid may be destined for a career on the DL simply because his slider takes too much of a toll on his elbow. Basically, if you resign Buehrle this offseason, I think you have a shot in hell at competing in the next few years. If you don't, s*** hits the fan and the Sox are mediocre or bad for the rest of the decade.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2007 @ May 3, 2007 -> 10:55 PM) Excuse my ignorance, but what the hell does fellate mean? lol. verbal usage of the noun fellatio yeah, imagination, that thing

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ May 3, 2007 -> 09:56 PM) I imagine that someone would've had to contact them from the campaign to say, "This is what's going on." I imagine Obama to be receiving many messages of "I'll kill you n*****!" and "White pride!" and otherwise absurd messages but still, someone has to inform the service of these threats and, I presume, then tell them that they'd feel more comfortable if the Senator were protected. I do think it's possible that the service decides that unilaterally but I doubt it came without prodding. I'd imagine it's more than just black racial slurs. In fact, although I'm far from the south, it seems there is much more of a bias against Arabian-Americans. It doesn't matter that he is African-American, when his name is Barack Hussein Obama, you'll get whack jobs that think he's Arabian and thus a terrorist.

South Dakota > Missouri and Iowa yeah, thats right, I went there, and I don't need to defend myself cuz I said so.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 3, 2007 -> 10:23 PM) But we need offense more than defense at this point...no matter how you break it down, it's a crapshoot for sure. We could also get Reggie Sanders instead, but he's probably going on the DL for a slightly strained hamstring. Moore and KW have already done two quick deals, I wouldn't be surprised by another. The Royals want to clear space for Billy Butler and Costa. They also have Gathright and Berroa I'm sure they would like to deal if they could find any takers. Sanders is gonna be gone a while. Pretty much wasn't a slight strain, but a tear, and he's gonna be gone till June or July.

QUOTE(BearSox @ May 3, 2007 -> 09:14 PM) I really dont care. Chances are if he keeps this up, he will demand Zito money, and there ain't no way I want him at that price. And if he sucks again, why keep him? The only way is if he is mediocre and we get him at something like 4 years, 40-45 million, which would be reasonable. You're going to try and convince me that 4/$45 is reasonable for a pitcher that will have 110+ career wins by his age 29 season? Gil Meche got 5/$55, and he's been mediocre as hell throughout his entire career. Reasonable for Buehrle if he's mediocre is 5/$65, and you wouldn't want to do that, and if he's good, it's 5/$85, or 6/$90, and you probably wouldn't make those either. However, I would make either of those moves. He's proven to be a durable arm throughout the course of his career, and at his second to worst, he's a mediocre pitcher (because obviously at his worst he's one of the worst pitchers in the majors). At his best he's a front of the rotation starter, and this team won't have one of those until 2009, and that's if Gio makes it at all. I don't think he's going to get 7/$126, because Jeff Berry is not Scott Boras. He may very well get $100 mill, but I don't think a team bites on $18; on the other hand, $16.5 over 6 years is reasonable to see it coming true.

QUOTE(fathom @ May 3, 2007 -> 08:55 PM) Indians are real good this year. I'm not sure who I think will win the AL Central, them or the Tigers. You can't rule out the Twins, not with Garza and Slowey in AAA.

Heads, you're welcome for digging that thread up and you being able to retrieve that golden quote.

Maybe it's just a bad picture, but she just doesn't look that hot on the right, and I generally like blondes over brunettes. Really weird. Jessica is smoking though

I always wanted to see Koch blows it in Colon's arrival

QUOTE(forrestg @ May 3, 2007 -> 05:27 PM) There are several teams looking for pitching. What we acquire is commensurate with who we trade. We might get Gload back from the Royals if they'd trade with us. no

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ May 3, 2007 -> 05:16 PM) I wonder if KC would have taken Mackowiak for Sisco or Anderson for Sisco. We'll never know. Trading Anderson for him would have been a horrible move at the time. He was a talented player coming off a rough rookie season in a time when the only depth the White Sox had in CF was Luis Terrero and Ryan Sweeney. It would have been a horrible move. Even now, I still don't make that move. I might make it a year from now, but not before then. Mackowiak would have been questionable. He fills a huge role on the Sox, seeing as how he's the 4th OFer (though he would be one of the best utility players in the league if Ozzie ever played him at 2B, 3B, or 1B instead of just LF and RF), but a 4th OFer is a player that's easily acquired, such as signing a Darin Erstad on the free agent market. The problem herein obviously lies in the fact that Darin Erstad is starting and Mackowiak is still depended upon to be the 4th OFer and it gets ugly in a hurry. In the example of Ross Gload, he wasn't getting playing time until very late in the year last year, and he was sitting behind Thome. If Thome doesn't go down, Gload never plays, and it's a waste of value. If you can trade your backup at a position where you have a cog like Thome for an arm like Sisco, you do it every time and there's no question about it. No, trading Gload for Sisco was not the wrong move, and it never will be. You can count on Thome getting a little banged up over the course of the year, but you can't count on the highest average on the team being .258, the highest OBP being .360, the second highest OBP being .309, and the highest OPS being .762. Gload doesn't change any of that.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 3, 2007 -> 11:27 AM) The White Sox have been a below .500 team now for over 100 games. Maybe they just aren't that good. How did they go from being the 2nd best team in the entire Major Leagues Pre-ASB 2006 to being one of the worst in a matter of seconds? And I'm being slightly critical, slightly quizzical. It just seems that this team is not that good anymore, and the offense is just absolute garbage right now...but how is that possible to transition that quickly? There is talent, though not a lot right now, offensively on this team. Crede, Dye, Konerko, Iguchi, Pierzynski, and Uribe all have a shot in hell at doing something productive this year, Sweeney can probably mimic Erstad's stats pretty well, and then there is .270 singles hitter Erstad and Mackowiak. Basically, I just don't understand how that team is hitting .225 as a whole. Someone has to take the fall, whether right or wrong, and I think it has to be Walker.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 3, 2007 -> 02:51 AM) How would that work? It doesnt matter what the place is, you cant smoke in it. Public establishments have to listen to the law because anybody and everybody is allowed in. Private establishments essentially rule themselves. For example, I can't smoke in Wal-Mart, but I can in my house. However, in my house, I have the right to tell you not to smoke. That's exactly what he's talking about.

QUOTE(danman31 @ May 3, 2007 -> 12:42 AM) We already know you are from Iowa, stop being so Ioway. Ioway? Iowany? Iowanish? Iowanay? Johnny Appleseed wants Heads doing SSR

QUOTE(3E8 @ May 2, 2007 -> 11:18 PM) Part of me feels good about denying her because she said she could easily get whatever she wanted. She was a self-proclaimed "huge baseball fan" which I think is why we hit it off. But I had to give her the bad news that her favorite player Eric Gange was not on the Dodgers anymore. To which she responded that she didn't want her Dodgers season tickets now, and that her boyfriend who was an ex-Cub can probably get her season tickets to Wrigley. Thinking of where a girl in porn has been makes it near impossible for me to actually be with her. But she was incredibly hot and a great dancer. My buddy was the DD and kind of getting pissed before this happened that we were there so late and I had work the next day. So that's just how it went down and I don't really regret it. Had you gotten with her, I would have like triple-wrapped your s***. Otherwise, it probably would have fallen off within 5 minutes of exiting. QUOTE(Shadows @ May 3, 2007 -> 12:28 AM) Dude, one time when I was at a strip club one of the strippers gave me her hotel room number and said I should come by later.. I should add in that she had been in playboy before and that she was only in town for that special showing.. she was prolly in her 30's but still, she looked pretty good. I am the kind of quiet shy type I just remember her grabbing my junk and telling me to stand up and start making some noise or she was going to shove a dildo up my ass, that was kinda scary but still.. Of course I was 19 and scared of getting jacked.. so I didn't, but then I always wonder what could have been You didnt make a noise, did you?

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=47842 AWW HORSES*** YOU NEED A SUBSCRIPTION

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 2, 2007 -> 11:27 PM) Tell me how long did it take for the Indians to turn their offense around in 05 when they fired their hitting coach. The Indians scored 214 runs in 54 games in 2005 under Eddie Murray, which is right around 4 runs a game. Over their next 15 games, they scored 88 runs - 6 runs a game - and they ended the year with 576 runs scored in 108 games under Derek Shelton (who is still their hitting coach), or 5.33 runs a game. They then scored 870 runs last year with Aaron Boone, Jason Michaels, and Jhonny Peralta getting 1572 PAs and putting up a combined OPS+ of like 84, or an OPS of roughly .700. That's like 3 quarters of their batting order putting up s***ty numbers, and they still averaged 5.4 runs a game.

QUOTE(Shadows @ May 3, 2007 -> 01:46 AM) Its like im staring at twins AND TWIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNS QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 3, 2007 -> 01:37 AM) Joe Crede continues his spiral into Sprague-dom. Ed Sprague played his first full season in the majors in 1993 as a 25 year old. Joe Crede played his first full season in the majors in 2003 as a 25 year old. Ed Sprague's career numbers as of May 3rd, 1997 (29 years old): G AB Runs Hits 2B 3B HR RBI BB BA OBA Slug% OPS SB% 670 2368 293 594 134 6 87 336 203 .251 .321 .423 .743 33.33 Joe Crede's career numbers as of May 3rd, 2007 (29 years old): G AB Runs Hits 2B 3B HR RBI BB BA OBA Slug% OPS SB% 678 2356 302 613 121 3 106 353 137 .260 .307 .449 .756 33.33 Are you sure Crede isn't a top 5 3Bman in all of baseball?

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ May 2, 2007 -> 11:43 PM) And it probably wouldn't be a package Beane would take anyways. He's not the kind of guy that is going to take a guy for half a year and likely lose him to free agency at the cost of a talented 25 year old starter. IF he were going to try to trade Harden (which I don't buy until he gets down to his last year or so), he'd probably be looking for 3 top prospects or a young major leaguer and another prospect or two. His value might not be there come that time of his contract. Would you give up 1 top prospect, let alone 3, for Mark Prior right now? That's why Beane's investigating a trade. If he can get a trade he's satisfactory with, I've no doubt he'd take it in a second and let the other team hope and pray he can stay healthy.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 2, 2007 -> 10:01 PM) He's hitting no where near .234 now, and has been pretty good since 2003. In fact, he's been a much better hitter since Walker became the hitting coach. Who do you have in mind as the new hitting coach? Yeah, you're right, he's hitting .202.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 2, 2007 -> 09:17 PM) Another approach would be to trade Dye and Gio for Rich Harden. That would be a franchise-defining move which could backfire horribly or give us the best rotation in baseball and insurance for Contreras and buy a little more time for Danks in AAA...as well as insurance for the possible loss of Buehrle. No way in hell do I even get near Rich Harden right now. He's been hurt the past 3 years, and that's just not going to suddenly stop. Some team may give up a metric s***-ton for him, but the White Sox would be dumb as hell to.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ May 2, 2007 -> 08:22 PM) Walking injury machine and I believe he disappears as bad as Bonds in the postseason although I have nothing to substaniate this. Barry Bonds also single-handedly carried his team to a World Series title in 2002. The problem, of course, was that Dusty Baker wasn't on the team but instead the coaching staff, and he gave the World Series away to the Angels.

Willie Harris is pretty much the best player in the Atlanta Braves organization right now

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ May 2, 2007 -> 07:51 PM) I agree with everything except the part about bringing up Fields to play LF. It's really just me throwing a name with talent out there. Owens can run, and that's it, and I'm not about to suggest calling up Anderson until I see him put up 2-3 weeks of .800+ OPS. QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 2, 2007 -> 07:52 PM) There are some key differences... 1) We don't have two nearly automatic wins in our rotation with the potency of Santana and Liriano 2) There are three teams for the White Sox to contend with, not two 3) Our bullpen already has more blown saves leading to losses (3) than the Twins had all last year 4) Fields hasn't played LF for more than two weeks 5) There's no obvious "villain" like Tony Batista to release in order to send a message 6) Gardenhire's a slightly better manager than Guillen 1. Liriano didn't get put into the rotation until May, and he was in the rotation for half a season. Even if he was an automatic win - which he was - that's still just 48 games the Twins won by Santana and Liriano - at the most - and their 9 losses indicate that's not quite the case. Beyond that, the Twins also had Scott Baker (16 GS, 6.37 ERA), Kyle Lohse (8 GS, 7.07 ERA), Matt Garza (9 GS, 5.76 ERA), and Carlos Silva (31 GS, 5.94 ERA). Basically, are you going to tell me that a year and a half worth's of automatic wins is worth more than a rotation that may very well put up a combined ERA of 4.00-4.25? I don't. 2. Cleveland was going to contend last year too, and a horrendous June and July knocked them out of the race. Who's to say that won't happen to Detroit or Cleveland or Minnesota this year? Or maybe it's the White Sox? Or maybe no one? You don't know what kind of race it really is going to be until about Memorial Day or Independence Day. I mean, do you expect the Yankees to be in last place all year? 3. And what happens if the offense scores 2 more runs in both of those games? Those games aren't losses. You are putting stock into a stat that doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot. Bullpens blow leads, and the White Sox offense has been pathetic to the point where they haven't been able to mount comebacks late in games. 4. I'd rather stick him out in LF than Jerry Owens or Luis Terrero, regardless of experience. 5. Darin Erstad Seriously though, why is a villain necessary? Do the Sox really need to mimic everything the Twins have ever done at any given stop in any division winning year? If firing Greg Walker isn't enough, trade someone like Mackowiak to send the message. Teams would take him, and while he's valuable, he's not a necessity for this team to succeed. 6a. Which is why my plan would never, ever, ever be able to come to fruition. 6b. Ozzie won a World Series, how dare you question him.