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To put the deal into perspective, a roughly comparable package from the Braves – just based on BA’s rankings — would include outfielder Ronald Acuna (ranked No. 10 overall), pitcher Luiz Gohara (No. 76) and two lesser prospects. http://www.ajc.com/sports/baseball/leadoff...RGCFRO/?src=rss Who has the top farm system now, the Braves or White Sox?

Who is the best pitcher the Braves could have offered? Allard or Soroka? Anderson? Don't know their system very well...and obviously not considering anyone (Newcomb) on their current big league roster. So there's basically no way to combine Albies with any of those pitchers and beat the Cubs' package, unless they added a third fairly significant piece (like the Sale deal) to the package.

No similar bill has ever passed in a similar situation where the previous legislation has/had 50% (thereabouts) support and the replacement/alternative is hovering between 15-25% depending on which polling you look at. It's unprecedented. Tax reform would have been easier. There's just no way it passes. Political suicide....for the governors as well. They'll get hammered too, guilt by association when their state Medicaid markets and individual markets begin to fail.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) FWIW, Otani just made his season debut last Wednesday and got shelled. Didn't get out of the 2nd inning. He was visibly frustrated and was missing his spots bu 12+ inches at times. The stuff looked sharp and the velo was fine -- I think it was pretty clearly rust. But it'll be interesting to see if he can regain full form before the end of the season, and if he doesn't, if it means he waits another year. Passan was talking about Otani on the radio today....that there really wasn't a comp and that he's basically the biggest free agent asset (theoretically) on the market in the history of the Japanese Professional League, due to his being a fascinating legit combined hitter and pitcher, and due to his age, his power/velocity combination, and the overwhelming hype since an early age and naturally mentioned Dice K, Tanaka, Darvish, Nomo as well.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 04:59 PM) They don't play in the same league, they don't share the same fans. They play six times a year, and VERY rarely are both teams good during the same season. The Cubs seasons have no bearing on the White Sox (not withstanding this latest trade ) When the Sox are actually competitive, I give the Cubs very little thought aside from the six times the Sox play them. I can't say that about the Twins, Indians, Tigers, etc. 4 times now?

The Braves have been sniffing around Q since this past offseason. Would the White Sox have been better off with Acuna/Maitan/Albies? Maybe, but the Braves weren't going to give up that type of package, regardless. Maitan's so far away, and the bust rate so much higher (compared to Robert/Moncada/Jimenez), well...it would have been a much riskier proposition for Hahn's GM longevity. With Albies, he feels a BIT superfluous unless we start missing with Anderson, Moncada, etc. Even then, Yolmer or Leury could do a fairly decent impression, although obviously lacking that type of upside. Kind of like another version of Baez, with less power and more speed. If the Braves wanted to throw a bunch of pitching prospects at us, that probably wouldn't end up working in our favor because ATL usually is such an excellent evaluation of their own talent, which ones to hold onto and which ones are expendable and at peak value in the minors.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) Definitely some need to be moved but prospect for prospect trades are pretty rare for better prospects and generally most teams want to let their prospects play it out and see who makes it. Of course ideally you sell high on guys that bust but in these days the other organisations have almost as much information about your guys than you have. The usual procedure is call the prospects you have up and start to trade them when you already have a good team. The most recent (almost) one I can think of recently is when the Marlins were actively shopping Marcel Ozuna for a youngish/pre-arb pitcher (let's say a Rodon equivalent). Luckily for them, they were patient and dealt with some of his maturity issues and are being handsomely rewarded by sticking with him, just like the Sox and Avi Garcia this season.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) Sorry for the delayed response to this post. I just got back from 2020, and my time machine had some mechanical issues. It took me a little longer to get back. The good news is that the rebuild was a huge success. The Sox are in first place in the division, and almost everyone's happy. The bad news is that 2017 was such a bad year that some fans can't recover. and still rate the rebuild at a 2. I think you're missing the point of a rebuild. A team can't rebuild AND compete at the same time. Not in a true rebuild anyway. You have to look at the potential of the future. Will every prospect be the best they can be? Certainly not. Will all of them wash out? Most likely no. Will some over perform while others under perform? Most likely. The prospects the Sox have been gathering point toward having a very competitive to dominating team starting in 2019. Plus, you have to remember that the Sox are also putting themselves in a good position to have money available for free agents within the next few years. How the team is doing right now has no bearing on how the rebuild is going. In a rebuild, a team is not going to trade away Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, and Adam Eaton and get back a bunch of MLB-ready guys. It's not going to happen. It will take a while to see the true results of the rebuild. Hindsight will tell us for sure how everything went. But for now we have to look at what the Sox got in the trades. What is the potential? What will this team look like is 2019-2022? Signs currently point toward the team looking pretty damn good...and extremely good if most of these guys live up to conservative expectations. Even the Yankees with Torres (before the injury), Gary Sanchez and Aaron Judge were going to struggle to pull off rebuilding and competing at the same time...maybe in another division? But they're an anomalous organization, from a revenue standpoint. Even then, you're unlikely to see them make moves that cost them premium talent, as opposed to financial transactions. Same with the Dodgers, who are obviously not rebuilding...but they're in a position with their prospect depth they can bring up a Walker Buehler instead of going out and trading for a Chapman/A.Miller/Madson/Doolittle, etc.

Well, then getting better returns than Matt Davidson and Nestor Molina for prime assets, that would help! Leury's worked out well, THIS year. Same with Avi Garcia over Jose Iglesias for Peavy way back in 2013.

Left out names such as Burger, Fulmer, Cease, Dunning and Hansen from the jersey purchase list. Fwiw, there are rumors flying around in the media that JR wouldn't have authorized dealing Q to the Cubs if they hadn't yet won in 2016...in other words, he didn't want to be the Sox owner that actually went out of his way to help them end their title drought. Debate/discuss/illuminate.

Trading Kanhle now is dumb because he has more upside as a closer in 2018. Worst case scenario, he fails and still is an effective 7th inning guy with dominant stuff. Who else could be the closer next year? With Burdi down, there's no candidate (other than Fulmer or possibly Lopez) for 2018. Resign Swarzak to close? Beck? Danish? Guerrero and Adams are still perceived to be starters. We've already lost any potential Petricka, Putnam and Jones returns. As well as Jennings, for anything more than a flier.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 10:09 PM) I think Caulfield was asking who our #2 J2 signing was in the org behind Adolfo...just as a general question. Yes, the point being a more developed SS, even ranked 17th in the Rangers' system...playing a premium position, there's a lot more potential value than a 16 year old, or even signing five of them. Not to mention the Rangers have an excellent Latin American pipeline, it's where Preller earned his stripes. Finally, the fact that Leury (coming from Tex as well) had a somewhat similar background (more speed and positional versatility) and has turned into a positive asset for the org. Also, other than Nunez, Adolfo and now Tatis, most of our J2 guys haven't exactly lit the world on fire quite yet. This move, though, would seem to indicate one of two things — either the Rangers have more international players they have deals with that they need pool money to sign, or the Rangers are loading up on pool money to maximize what they can offer Japanese pitcher Shohei Ohtani. Ohtani, if you are not familiar, is a 23 year old stud pitcher in Japan who the Rangers have been scouting for some time, and who Jon Daniels and company went and scouted in May (despite Ohtani being sidelined at the time). Ohtani is considered the best pitching prospect from Japan since...well, since Yu Darvish. He’s viewed as a legitimate top-of-the-rotation starting pitcher. The Rangers, by all accounts, want Ohtani badly. And if Ohtani wants to come over to the U.S. this offseason, any team who is willing to pay the $20 million posting fee (the new maximum amount allowed) that goes to Ohtani’s team, the Nippon Ham Fighters, can negotiate with Ohtani. However, Ohtani is subject to the J-2 limits, just as any other international free agent under the age of 25 is. https://www.lonestarball.com/2017/7/15/1597...onus-pool-money So...this may be nothing. Or it may be a sign that the Rangers expect Ohtani to announce this offseason he’s coming to the United States, and are loading up on available international bonus pool money they can offer him.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) I'm not sure what you're asking. J2? If you mean international signings, I will ask this - how many of the top prospects we just acquired were international signings? But that's not my point anyway - my point is that we just gave Texas a goldmine, and received only 1 modest prospect in return. Now we may not have had any use for that goldmine ourselves...but you could say the same about Quintana - we had no use for him the next 2 years, but we still tried to get full value. We're there any better offers? Maybe we're sweetening the pot for a future deal with Daniels? It certainly had more value to them than us. Maybe they'll take Holland back and save the Sox money at some point?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) The fulll 3/4 seems an excessive price...that's an immense benefit to Texas and allows them to sign numerous prospects, they otherwise wouldn't be able to sign. And it costs them only 1 prospect? How many of our J2 guys are current Top 17, other than Adolfo? Who's #2 in our system? What about Top 30-50? Your obvious retort here is Tatis, Jr.

Nice weather, seemed like more than 25000 for my only Sox game this year. For Greg: $20 parking $44.50 for food, three sodas were $18, Irish Nachos $10, two corn dogs $9 Lemonade $7.50 Three LF bleacher seats were $87 Son, two 1/2 years old, was free

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/16/politics/tru...tter/index.html You would think Trump would be bored with going after HRC by now...

Another C.Rondon lottery ticket. For much of the past 3-4 years, we all thought Leury was a bust, remember? I look at this kid in the same category as Hanson, Liriano and Willy Garcia because of his position and having a plus plus tool in his arm. Let's not forget Sergio Santos....and not Jason Dellaero or Brian Anderson, haha.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:08 PM) Skoug 3-5, R, RBI. On another note, Hiura is 3-5, 3B. Numbers look crazy for him, but he is in rookie ball. He's playing second, DHing, or LF?

How many Cubs fans care about Jon Garland helping the 2005 White Sox to the World Series right now? Let it go, let it go....

The significance of high minor league k rates for BA Top 100 prospects over nearly twenty years https://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/4/22/2...-league-k-rates Perhaps one of the most interesting conclusions is that six years ago, 22-24% was the cutoff number, not 30%. Admittedly, there are not a ton of revolutionary conclusions here. Traditional prospecting wisdom is supported strongly, as it's abundantly clear that, ceteris paribus, high strikeout rates are not helpful in a prospect's development. It appears as though the success rates for prospect development drop sharply when strikeout rates hit about 22%. Furthermore, minor league strikeout rates are strongly negatively related with both major league at-bats and OPS. However, among successfully developed prospects, minor league strikeout rates are positively related with major league OPS, indicating that the prospects that become the best MLB hitters tend to be sluggers with moderately high strikeout rates. A second point to note is the abundance of defensive-minded players who don't strikeout much, but also don't produce much offensively. Lastly, it's clear that players tend to increase their strikeout rates in the minors upon graduation to the majors by about 1%. Again, the conclusions made here are by no means revolutionary. That being said, it's good to have the numbers to back up conventional wisdom, and I'm sure there are various extensions to this study that could increase its usefulness. For now, though, we can use the data to help make predictions about prospects going forward, and become a little more wary of high strikeout rates. . . .extremely excellent actually. I’m going to need some time to absorb this good info but, a couple points come to mind. Personally, as far as my own comments on this matter, I may have said that striking out is a good thing but, what I also said and really MEAN was that . . . just as many, if not more players fail because they dont make hard contact as players fail becasue they can’t make contact. I’m not certain If that was completely adressed here or not. Maybe you guys can tell me? The reason I found it hard to initialize a study was because its hard to “isolate” just the strikeouts . . . An example: If you have two prospects, both are 19, both played in full-season A ball and they hit like THIS Player A: 500 Pa’s , 35 2B, 25 Hrs, 125 Ks Player B: 500 Pa’s, 34 2B, 26 Hrs, 70 Ks I would obviously expect player B to have more future sucess. My point though us that player A types tend to have more power , not equal power, than players with less strikouts and if we match thier numbers, other than the Ks, you adding in a group of players with a better skillset. I still think that what Nick Franklin is doing has a more sucessful track record that say, what a Carlos Triunfel is doing, number wise. I feel like we tend to notice the guys who strike out and then fail more than the guys, who don’t strike out and fail perhaps? In either case, great work much appreciated!

Listening to Hahn's banalities...that's almost worse than Ventura pressers. The whole "you know" thing can easily be fixed. Along with coming up with a bit more of a trademark style or shtick instead of being a generic Mr. Informative/Thorough. The trick is to be charismatic, comfortable with humor and simultaneously memorable/compelling. All that comes with time and practice.

http://www.milb.com/scoreboard/index.jsp?s...mp;ymd=20170714

There's also never been a team with the second best (young) LHP in baseball...a 4ish war leadoff hitter who became extremely valuable due to his RF play and yet another of the best (most durable/consistent) #12-15 LHPers in the game. Looking at the Indians, for example, they've even better with a significantly lower budget, Swisher/Bourn/Chris Johnson on the books, the second smallest media market and bottom 10% ticket revenue and local broadcasting rights.

No big deal. They won't need him before 2019 anyway. He might actually end up throwing harder...and this makes the decision to hold Kanhle even more obvious with Jones and now Burdi both on the shelf. Also opens it up further for Fulmer (and/or Lopez) to move into the 7th-9th inning "A Team" bullpen rotation.

No big deal. They won't need him before 2019 anyway. He might actually end up throwing harder...and this makes the decision to hold Kanhle even more obvious with Jones and now Burdi both on the shelf. Also opens it up further for Fulmer (and/or Lopez) to move into the 7th-9th inning "A Team" bullpen rotation.