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According to Mariners and D-Backs fans, his legs are gone.

Alright, I'll guess Tim Hill (former Royal with Pedro) or Jarlín García due to the Bannister-Giants connection.

You know, pedophilia and statutory rape. I hate that you're making me look this up, but Florida's Romeo & Juliet law, which is made to address this exact scenario, does not cover this. A minor under the age of 16 can not consent with a 19-year-old.

Anyway, lefty relievers available: Aroldis Chapman Josh Hader Brent Suter Scott Alexander Matt Moore Brad Hand Jake Diekman Aaron Loup Chasen Shreve Joely Roriguez Richard Bleier Amir Garrett Tim Hill Wandy Peralta Justin Wilson Brett Martin Jarlín García Drew Pomeranz

@Y2Jimmy0 this might be my favorite reported signing tweet in a while and I want you to know that

Yonder Alonso was $9M after his stupid friends and family contract was bought out. And I prefaced this with this is a stupid JR problem. Every bit of that $25.75M is going to be scrutinized if it doesn't work out.

Yeah Fedde is actually a really good signing, but I felt the need to include him because if he doesn't work out it's gonna be used as another "ah we can't sign pitchers from Asia for another 10 years" justification from JR.

Also, to add to this, this is a problem that only exists because of Reinsdorf. I'm going off of Spotrac's estimates here. fWAR in parentheses, but I'm using 2022 for Stassi and omitting Fedde since he reinvented himself in the KBO. Maldonado (-1.2), DeJong (0.3), Lopez (1.1), Soroka (-0.4), Stassi (0.0), and Fedde will cost roughly a combined $25.75M. Their combined fWAR: -0.2. Now, fWAR isn't an end all, be all and maybe Bannister turns around a healthy Soroka (a big if) and Fedde's KBO reinvention makes him a #2-#3 MLB pitcher (which would be amazing). But if the Sox are gonna be awful as we expect, do we need $26M committed to them, which Jerry will stomp and moan about with a cratering attendance, when the AAA guys can battle for the backup spot behind Stassi and Lenyn/Popeye could make a play for second? Obviously best case scenario is good performances from the vets (where their defense aids pitchers) and minor leaguers and they keep or trade Soroka (being 26), Stassi or Maldonado gets traded and the other is the vet mentor, Montgomery sends DeJong to a contender, the aforementioned Lenyn/Popeye, etc.

I feel like Maldonado or Stassi will be cut by the end of May after hitting .150 and one of Hackenberg, Lee or Perez will be called up. I really don't get it.

To be kind to Getz: Colson, Schultz, Ramos and Mena all have opportunities to be huge wins for him. Same for Jacob Burke, Lenyn, Cannon, Pallette and Popeye. Obviously, anyone who comes up through the system soon will be a W, but those are just a few bigger names (that weren't also trade acquisitions and thus have the lingering specter of KW/Hahn).

I just love that he hasn't named Andrew Vaughn as a development win yet. His defense has been horrendous and has made him a net negative, but he went from barely any minor experience to the majors. Also, Getz can get credit for Burger. It's just hysterical that Burger had to go to a collegiate league to prove to the team that he deserved to be at the alternate camp. Also, Dane Dunning somehow didn't get mentioned. He would have been wiser than Gio or ReyLo. Aaron Bummer as well. But anyway, more flameouts other than the ones that DA listed: To recap, DA's list Spencer Adams, Jared Kelly (on life support) Matthew Thompson (there's a chance) Carson Fulmer Zack Burdi Zack Collins Let's add Yolbert Sanchez Blake Rutherford Alec Hansen Micker Adolfo Laz Rivera Yoelki Cespedes Wes Kath Andrew Dalquist D.J. Gladney (if he doesn't turn it around) Oscar Colas (I believe still, but many here — and seemingly Pedro — do not) I don't think Vera (injury) or Stiever (injury after shooting through the system) can be held against him. But otherwise, that list is high draft picks, big bonus high schoolers, or expensive LatAm signings. The only one who doesn't apply is Laz Rivera, but he started getting trade smoke everywhere after a breakout minor season. Then you have his supposed feathers The team not properly developing Eloy as an outfielder has led to so many disastrous situations for the team AND he hasn't duplicated his rookie season at the plate. Kopech was supposed to be an ace and is a catastrophe. Gio literally left the team to get support his development here was so bad. Yoan is tricky because he had a great 2019 and a good 2021. But he's fragile and doesn't hustle. I honestly place more on MLB coaching for Yoan.

They just removed the bat part.

I love that Chris Getz must have been aiding Delmonico's breakout 2016 campaign in AA while he was in the Royals FO. But sure, Getz ran the ship from 2017-2023. A six year span. So far we've got Nicky Delmonico as the crown jewel of that. Let's look six years prior from 2010 - 2016 Chris Sale Jose Quintana Addison Reed Nate Jones Sergio Santos Hector Santiago Carlos Rodon Yolmer Sanchez Scott Carroll (normally wouldn't count, but you counted Yermin) Omar Narvaez Daniel Webb Leury Garcia I won't count Adam Eaton or Jose Abreu since they wouldn't count under the same criteria that I counted against Getz (highly ranked prospect acquisition / expensive foreign FA), but they also came through at this time. Players of note who didn't reach their peaks with the Sox, but made the majors with them Frankie Montas Daniel Hudson Marcus Semien Chris Bassitt Trayce Thompson But sure, Yermin Mercedes and Seby Zavala

I know this is for @Frobby, but a redundancy policy exists. We had such a top heavy farm system that when Yoan got hurt, we had nothing to replace him with (until this year, then Burger was traded). Eloy was replaced by a first baseman. Luis Robert was replaced by a comedy of errors. When Madrigal didn't work - and then got traded - nothing. Imagine Gunnar Henderson has a sophomore slump or Holliday follows the Moncada/Benintendi career path and Norby is the one racking up All-Star appearances for the White Sox. I think it's just the fact that people want to be risk averse.

People get attached to prospects and dream on them. Everyone has their sleeper prospect - we all once dreamt on dudes like Laz Rivera or Jake Peter - and then there are guys like Alec Hansen who went from a possible 1-1, fell to the Sox in the second round, dominated, then fell apart completely. So when you have a strong system full of highly touted guys, you're worried about trading the next big thing.

This is legitimately hilarious.

Harry Truman, Doris Day Red China, Johnnie Ray South Pacific Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

For what it's worth, I think any discussion about Mark Buehrle should include this article. https://grantland.com/features/mark-buehrle-surprising-success/

The silliest part of all of this is that if he doesn't let Sosa reach first, he probably gets another 20% of the vote

Leury was held and shoulders the best player that WestEddy named. Chris Getz was an active player when Leury joined the White Sox.

Lopez went from starter to reliever. Gio needed to go outside the org to fix himself. Kopech has massive talent and it's gone nowhere. Eloy had a great rookie season and nothing since. Moncada is basically the same player that he was when he came over from Boston, after debuting in Boston. Cease and Robert he can get credit for. But let's get some others: - Crochet is being mismanaged (you can blame KW/Hahn for this) - Vaughn was rushed - Burger had to go to a collegiate league to develop himself before getting added to the 2020 alternate site - Sheets trained himself to be an OF - Alec Hansen, Luis Basabe, Luis Gonzalez, Blake Rutherford, and Ian Clarkin all had various degrees of squandered talent. - Madrigal lmao. It's been said that Sox prospects enter the system with their strengths and weaknesses — and they pretty much keep those exact same strengths and weaknesses. It's hard to see proof that argues against that. If Getz's track record on producing players relies on trades for Top 50 prospects and $25M signing bonus LatAm players - and even THOSE aren't all hits - that's not a good track record at all. Now, he's in charge, so let's see if it changes with him running the whole thing, but his track record doesn't scream success.

I'm gonna beat this drum to death, especially since Glasnow said it, but the Dodgers are just the Rays with cash. And it makes sense since Friedman put both systems in place. They didn't sign free agents for their sustained run until Freeman. If the Rays actually extended players, they'd be the Dodgers. Reinsdorf thinks that this is a bad model, for some reason.

We needed an additional thread for airing grievances? This is like complaining about your hair getting wet after jumping in the pool.

It's called manifesting.