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And Moncada had a good 2021. Keuchel has a good shortened season them imploded like a neutron star and became the worst vet presence possible.

By the way, if we're doing players only: Moncada, Keuchel, Eloy and Kimbrel

TLR - Obvious Jerry - Kneecapped everything Hahn - Even with his budget, made bad moves Getz - If we're grading 2020 - 2023, it would have been nice to have some player development!

Man, I turned the game on at half, saw the score and left it on as background noise. Now I miss the Cardiac Bulls.

I also want to point out that using Mena's ranking in the Sox system is silly. 1) We've learned harder than any org that that means nothing. 2) If we're going purely off Pipeline, which to be fair, hasn't updated their Top 30s for 2024, Fletcher ranks lower than Mena did.

Eh, unless Fletcher craters and Mena turns into an ace (my gut feeling is he turns into a solid 3-4 — but any velo increase makes me nervous) I'd give them a mulligan because there have been good trades on paper (Bummer, Stassi, Santos). As to your second point, what if DeLoach is that guy? I get having more options (and the Charlotte rotation is getting fuller, making it a place to sell from). And what if they get someone in a Cease trade? Does Benintendi get sold for pennies on the dollar, or does Pedro beg to keep him around?

Mena only got pushed down the list because of, hilariously, Rick Hahn's deadline acquisitions that Getz didn't get on development plans. Mena had good strikeout numbers at every level while being super young and with his fastball being the pitch I hear the most concern about. If Arizona gets him to up his fastball, then the trade could get ugly real fast. Of course, he could also bust and Fletcher could turn into a starting RF for six years. But give me the young starter who doesn't rely on overpowering hitters over the older .BAPIP merchant.

Getz being wrong about White Sox player development is how we got here. Edit: Anyway, I fat thumbed the poll and meant to hit AZ and Getz. Seattle trade is a good one.

If I'm packaging Crochet with Cease, the Yankees better pay up.

If SI and Gannett's "close encounters of the athletic kind" have proven anything, it's that AI journalism is hell.

Lake Michigan's waves crash climb hundreds of feet into the air, swallowing soldier field.

I'd absolutely love if the next core was built around Hahn deadline acquisitions + players drafted while he was GM. Getz would get some credit for the latter, but it'd be funny as s%*# if Quero, Nastrini, Eder, Leasure, etc. are all big contributors. I'm also holding out hope for Colas, but I think he needs to flee Pedro to survive.

And then if the Pats want Maye, you do the double trade down, take MHJ and then take Bowers/Nabers/Odunze at 9. Fields becomes loaded with weapons. Chaos ensues during the draft. Armageddon ensues if it fails.

If you told me that Maldonado hits .150 this year, I'd believe you.

Maybe Jacob Gonzalez is one of those dudes that internalizes everything and becomes the best player from the class. I really, really hope.

Summary of everyone's reaction: f*** yeah five Sox prospects with good-to-glowing reviews. But also, why is Montgomery so low? (I understand his explanation, again, summarizing reactions)

What does Tray hate more: Andrew Vaughn or a South Loop stadium?

AKME are truly horrendous at asset management

Chris Getz's mantra has been: Get old, strike gold

Do not like

So Grifol is worthless, because here are all the vet leaders (30+ or will be this year) they've added: - Paul Dejong - Erick Fedde - John Brebbia - Chris Flexen - Martin Maldonado - Max Stassi - Tim Hill Minor league deals - Kevin Pillar - Chad Kuhl - Rafael Ortega - Brett Phillips Obviously they need to fill out Charlotte's roster, so I'm not gonna lose sleep over Ortega and Kuhl, but if Getz thinks that Grifol needs 9 new vet leaders, then fire Grifol instead of spending money that seems harmless in small increments, but begins to add up to an amount that could be used on actual major leaguers - a cardinal sin of the Hahn era.

How many veteran leaders do we need? It feels like the entire team is compromised of veteran leaders at this point. The only way any veteran leadership is imparted is if they start getting jettisoned for young guys.

I forgot Brett Phillips was around until this thread.

It's so interesting to create a team identity of old guys with no offensive upside that rely on their reputations as good defenders.

This is the funniest aspect of it all. Tearing it down to studs for to gain...what? Tim Hill, Martin Maldonado and Chris Flexen?