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QUOTE (Texsox @ May 6, 2008 -> 09:17 AM) It is a story because it is so far outside the boundaries of acceptable behavior in a workplace. You still seem to have this idea that a baseball clubhouse is a common workplace, and what happens within your typical office should apply to MLB.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 6, 2008 -> 09:12 AM) The rules have been in place for decades. The players involved have not known any other rules or different levels of access since becoming pros. It wasn't like they turned around and all of a sudden reporters are there. They knew the rules and who would see it. This is a terrible lapse in judgement. If this is the example they want the world to see about the Chicago White Sox, that is very sad. We complain when we are always compared to Linge and drunken fans running onto the field, then people here defend the players? That is the image we will live with. Enjoy. It's fairly easy to distinguish the two. Players acting bad reflects poorly on the team. Fans acting bad reflects poorly on the fanbase. It's also a little easier to defend this non-story than a drunken fan attacking a defenseless first base coach and receiving nationwide attention across all media mediums. Not just ESPN.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 6, 2008 -> 09:01 AM) You mean by fans possibly sneaking blow up dolls into the stadium to blow up and display... something that's already been suggested in this very thread. It's going to happen. If that happens on a mass-scale obviously its a problem. It'd be impossible to stop it, as anyone can sneak one and inflate it in a bathroom. You'd just have to assume it wouldn't be on ongoing problem involving thousands of people.

QUOTE (YASNY @ May 6, 2008 -> 08:46 AM) I don't what your definition of a man is, but I can think of several very solid men whose manhood would not be questioned by anybody with half a brain who would be offended such a vulgar display. You've got kids that look up to these guys and a franchise that pushes a family atmosphere at the Cell. Not only is this wrong, but it's very wrong. Well, you show me proof of one little kid changing his view of any White Sox player after "Doll-Gate" and maybe the half of my brain which doesn't care can finally evolve to your level of sophistication. Also, this in no way affects the family atmosphere at the Cell. One doll alone cannot do it. Unless these displays of affection somehow find their way out of the clubhouse and into the stands

QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2008 -> 08:43 AM) I hope Slezak has never been to a minor league clubhouse. Instead of sex dolls, they have college girls in their clubhouse. WHAT?! OMG, do the female reporters in the minor leagues ever feel harassed by this? It must be difficult to do their job when ballplayers are distracted by slutty college girls!

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 6, 2008 -> 08:38 AM) If an employee of a company pulled a prank that was offensive to a large portion of their customers, they would be reprimanded, not defended. This is a workplace, no amount of money, fame, or power removes them from workplace laws. The $10,000,000 earning CEO of a major corporation can't put up porn in his office and say f*** the b****es that can't take a joke. And neither should professional athletes. Why is it too much to ask grown men to act like adults? Why are you acting like it's fair to compare anything that happens within a baseball clubhouse to an ordinary job? Athletes don't operate in this world of equality and fairness that you've layed out here. They are playing a child's game, afterall. Does it shock you they act like children and are defended by actions that would land most people in the unemployment line?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 6, 2008 -> 08:19 AM) Then open your eyes. I'll save you from having to type the "Carol Slezak's just a b****" and "But she cried about Greg Olsen's rap song!" responses... Let's put those retorts in our back pocket and just talk about how stupid the White Sox are for allowing this to happen. I guess I was expecting something more significant than Slezak. Or even ESPN. When it enters the mainstream media, in outlets such as FoxNews or CNN, then you can begin talking about ramifications. When I heard you use the term, that's what I envision. Nationwide exposure to an audience not just involved with sports. Far as the White Sox allowing it to happen, should they have seen this coming? It should underscore the likelihood that there is a LOT that happens in the clubhouse that people would b**** about if it were made public.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 6, 2008 -> 08:02 AM) No, but I think that if my wife were a sports reporter, which I would be very proud of her to be, and that if that happened, she'd be incredibly uncomfortable... and that would piss me the f*** off. I am capable I guess of being human. My bust. A woman doesn't have to feel harassed for it to be harassment. Any sort of discomfort in the workplace shouldn't be tolerated. It's 2008, it's the USA. I guess I just respect women and see them as equals and hope for them to feel as comfortable as any man, no matter where they work. If you have a problem with me respecting women, fine, but to call it "fake outrage" calls into question my integrity. I think there's a few too many meathead kids on this board who just see this as funny and don't understand the ramifications of the Chicago White Sox acting like a bunch of sexually deprived teenagers. What are the ramifications, exactly? If the term 'fake outrage' were in the dictionary, it would be accompanied with "see: fake ramifications." Perhaps this is why I don't care. I don't quite see the people who are affected by this. The.....huindreds of women who may send threatening emails to the White Sox and boycott their product. Or the zero sponsors who will no longer associate themselves with the White Sox. I don't even find it funny, really. I just don't find it offensive, either.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 6, 2008 -> 07:59 AM) I love the blatant sexism and misogyny in this thread. We're still talking about a blow-up doll, right?

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 6, 2008 -> 07:32 AM) I think some people are taking this much lighter than it should be. This has already become national news on ESPN Radio. Whomever set up the blow up dolls with bats in their orifices knew that reporters and the like would see it. It's sexual harassment for any female reporter who was near the locker room. I don't care what anyone says, women are allowed in the locker room at designated times, and that's demeaning. It's childish, it's embarrassing as a Sox fan, it's not funny in my opinion. Why don't they grow the f*** up? What has the amazing double stuffed quad penetrated doll resulted in? 3 runs over 18 innings. Jerry Reinsdorf should be embarrassed as should anyone who ever wore a Sox jersey. With Ozzie's rant, and now this, it's unacceptable. That's just my $.02. Are you serious with this? Explain to me how a woman reporter notices this display and feels harassed. I guarantee any woman in a position to cover a professional baseball team in a clubhouse knows what to expect. They've heard and seen a lot. It doesn't have to have the symbolism of a Van Gogh painting where everything has deep meaning. You know, where "the inflatable doll represents the repressive nature of females in society and the bats, in true male fashion, have violated the object and left her in a state of hopelessness" IT WAS A f***ING DOLL!!!! I only wish it had someones face taped to it so atleast we'd have a fair argument. Your post is exactly what I have termed, "fake outrage." Are you REALLY embarrassed as a Sox fan? And talking about "demeaning women?" Cmon, now. Was your girlfriend over your shoulder when you wrote that? You don't have to impress anyone like those ESPN analysts who have to put on a fake face as not to have their email box full with messages. I like to believe I'm capable of understanding someone's position on issues such as this, whether I feel offended or not, but this is just too much. It's stories like this I hope people just continue bringing out blow-up dolls as only to further infuriate the supposedly offended mass of people.

I'm glad Guillen didn't apologize, as well. People are always apologizing for their actions when the media gets on them, and you know damn well they're not sincere. I love his quotes which basically come off as, "shut the f*** up -- this is nothing compared to what usually happens in our clubhouse."

QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ May 6, 2008 -> 06:51 AM) This is a HUGE front page story in the Sun Times. The headline WHITE SOX DOLL BLOWUP What am I missing here? Is this really that big of a deal? It was a blowup doll with a bat stuck up its ass accompanied with a suggestive sign. Sure, it's tasteless; but a poor condition for woman to work? LOLLERCAUST. Are these the same clubhouses where near naked men are talking intimately with reporters? Or are swearing up a storm, and doing god knows what? Hell, I remember several seasons ago during one of the playoff celebrations (I believe ALCS championship) where Gale Fischer was interviewing a player and in plain sight of the camera you can see some players ass about to enter the shower. OH, BUT ITS A POOR ENVIRONMENT. What idiots. This spokeswoman for the Association for Women in Sports Media should probably understand the nature of clubhouses before talking. Or else I'll just send her an email asking when my dinner will be ready. I'd like to believe she'd understand, but I have a feeling she's some 70 year old hag burnt out from the feminist revolution.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 5, 2008 -> 09:19 PM) The Sox offense is like a horse with two broken ankles right now and we all know what happens next. Yes, a trip to the glue factory........and they won't be invited.

You could NOT have hit the ball in a worst spot. Atleast at shortstop or second base there's a chance to break up the double play.

HUGE pitch here. Practically the game in the balance, atleast for us to -- at minimum -- tie it.

What is Guillen complaining about?

Why the f*** was Thome swinging 3-1?

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 5, 2008 -> 07:25 PM) why in the world is he throwing javy out there for 120 + pitches? It's obvious Guillen was leaving him out for the opportunity to finish the inning. Perhaps it was also because he didn't appear to show fatigue. With a bullpen relatively rested I would went to the bullpen after the first batter reached. We still have a long season and don't need to abuse Vazquez.

QUOTE (CWSGuy406 @ May 5, 2008 -> 07:24 PM) I'm not watching the game (only peeking in on Gameday) -- can someone explain "Stewart singles on groundball to Ozuna" for me. Is it yet another defensive gaffe by Pablo? Yes. He double clutched and threw weakly on an angle. With Stewart running it was too much time.

Cmon, it's a bit ridiculous when obvious calls are missed by umpires. Especially in a one run game in the 8th inning.

Vazquez is pitching like he's taking the frustration of the offense onto AJ's mit.

If Cabrera swings at the first pitch I'm just going to shut off the game. That'll be about it for me.

You know it's bad when we're down one run and it feels as if the game is decided. Listening to Hawk talk about Toronto's pitching staff, which I agree is good, you'd think no one can beat them. They have a worse record than we do! Or atleast did prior to tonight.

Isn't it a little early to be drinking?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 30, 2008 -> 06:48 PM) I would love to see Fields on this team on the bench if he could play LF, RF, and 1B too...you could get him 4-5 games a week if that were the case. You envision him playing against every lefty at DH, so that's about 1-2 games a week and then you have him play a game or two a week at 3B. If he knew LF, RF, and 1B, you could substitute him variably throughout the course of the season and he'd be getting pretty solid playing time The problem, of course, is that he can't play LF, RF, and 1B, so this post is pretty much pointless. Even for the position he could play, 3B, I can't imagine Crede willingly giving up one or two games a week since he's playing for a contract.