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QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 04:34 AM) Bob nailed it. That was a great post. When Robin was hired, I thought it was a bad move because he had no experience. But a lot of posters here differed saying a manager in baseball had a minor impact. At this point, I would not fire Robin unless JR thinks the next manager is on staff. Instead I would fire Hahn and/or Williams and bring in a new GM. Let that person then pick his own manager next year where the field of candidates is larger. I think Hahn/Williams has assembled a roster that is flawed and is being coached by a manager that is also flawed.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 10:08 PM) I can't say that trading 4 young players for a rent, and wasting the opportunity of not selling a single player high were great moves. Hahn's one confirmed great move was the Peavy trade, and in that case, there was a tradeable commodity and KW was involved. I have no problem giving him a chance without Williams. But this org. needs a real cleansing. Not sure it was a great move. He could have had Iglesias but opted for Avi. I thought it was a great move but in hindsight did the Tigers get the better of that deal.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) 21 innings. Q is killing this offense. He has struck out twice

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 03:56 PM) In 78 ABs...Micah Johnson for example has 74 ABs. Sample sizes are your friend. Agree but those numbers would be great for a Number 2. He also has one of the highest averages in ML for throwing out baserunners.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) Werent they talking about putting Abreu at 3rd for interleague play? Or was that them just trying to be cute? What is the worst that could happen? Our defense stay awful? He get hurt

John Farrell is on very thin ice in Boston. Some media think it is a waste to fire him now but he will be gone by end of season. He won a World Series two years ago w some of these same players. Now he has had 2 lousy years. I don't think his personality changed. I don't think leaders like Ortiz, Pedroia and Napoli have changed. Basically the 2013 team performed and the last two years the team w changes has not. Maybe the GM takes a hit as well since they spent a ton and may end up just as bad as the White Sox. The good thing is I think Hahn might be able to scoop some young talent from them since Boston will be desperate for pitching. Hopefully they don't take Hamels and are in market for a young pitcher, Q, in the off-season. Mmaybe we need more of these types: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/pr...4da4411660.html

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) What exactly do you hate about the Shark trade? Yeah, he's been pretty damn mediocre. But it looked worse when Semien was hitting, but he is hitting .180 the past month and is literally one of the most comically bad shortstops in recent history. Phegley is garbage, Ravelo hasn't appeared in a game this year and Bassit has been Ok but unspectacular in AAA. It hasn't really panned out to this point, but let's not act like the SOX gave up their future. Actually Phegley is having a good year so far both offensively and throwing out runners.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) So the pitching has been great 2013,2014, and 2015? 2015 13th, 2014 13th, 2013 9th. I would venture to guess the pitching was awful in 2007 as well, 12th out of 14. Those are the years the team was totally dreadful, which accounts for the below .500 record since winning the WS. People don't like trading prospects for hitters because too many people think guys like Montas will be stars, when, in reality, the odds are still against him. I'd hang on to Q. Trade Montas and Danish for hitters. If they are thought of anywhere near where some have placed them on this site, there should be plenty of offense coming back. That, and some bounce back from guys who have struggled. I am not talking Tyler Flowers. I think he is what he is, but realistically, Melky is a better offensive player. Eaton is a better offensive player. So is Alexei. Sanchez can't be as bad as he's been. Abreu should do better. LaRoche should hit some more home runs. I'm as sick of watching 1 or 2 runs scored as much as anyone. But this team will hit better. Whether that is this week, next month, in August or next season, they are better than they have shown. Good post. I do have a few thoughts: 1. Montas and Danish are 2 good AA prospects. I would assume packaged they would bring back 1 MLB ready player like a 2B or 3B. But I would guess Q would bring 2 MLB ready players in prime positions like SS, C and SP( end of rotaton). 2. There is also the opinion Alexei may be on the decline. 3. Don't agree onLaRoche. He has averaged 21 HR per season and he is on pace to match that. His BA is down and we could expect a bump and his BB are way up and nis doubles down. 4. I also caution that this team is thin offensively . Any injury would be a major hit since the backups and AAA recall candidates other than maybe Johnson are a real stretch. For example, if an outfielder went down for a month or two , I am not sure they have a lot to choose unless Shuck is the real deal average wise. But he has no pop.

I still think Sale is a keeper and Q is the one to trade. Sale is a Top 10 pitcher in baseball, one who doesn't come along too often. Q is the next level down ( top 30 in our eyes but maybe we are prejudiced) . I think Q could bring 2 starters and obviously Sale could bring 3+. But I think Q will eventually be our #3 starter or is now and could be replaced. Maybe Fullmer is that guy in a year or two. But I am not sure we could find a number 1 to replace Sale.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 07:16 PM) you make a real good point, but teams in the hunt for the playoff will not give up players on the roster. that is why i am saying players who are on a cusp of breaking in with the big club. now remember this, taking what i am saying, those players would undoubtedly be on the every day roster with the sox and many other teams. Understood, but I am not trading Q at the deadline. I would see what offers I got in the offseason where every team is a potential trade partner. By then you will also know how desperate the situation is.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 06:58 PM) dunno I see people talk up their farm system a lot and theyre always successful every year Sale should be untouchable. He is the franchise right now. Also forget farm system. When you are looking to trade a stud player-say Q, you want ML players not ML ready AAA players. The Sox cannot gamble on minor league prospects to turn this around. Now with Shark, you may have to take a AAA ML ready player since he is a rental.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 05:17 PM) Not sure. They aren't going to trade players that they just signed though. They didn't give up a 2nd round draft pick for Robertson to then trade him immediately. They have a good bullpen. Trading Robertson and Duke makes it so your bullpen is awful again. I'm not even sure they trade Samardzija. Comp pick may be better than the return. Again, they have to trade someone valuable to acquire multiple young players. Maybe Johnson by next year can play 2nd which would be major in that you filled internally . But you still have holes at catcher, 3B, SP and probably SS. Now if the FO is convinced Fullmer is the real thing, I trade Q and try and get a catcher and infielder. I trade Shark at the deadline this year and try and get a 3B back. If Shark and Q returned a catcher, SS and 3B, Johnson played 2nd and Fullmer took Q's spot that would be a solid step in the right direction. That still leaves a hole for 4th starter assuming Danks is the 5. My fear is Q may not bring back 2 ML ready players realizing we need SS and Catcher which are hard to find. Instead maybe he brings one and a #4 type starter.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 04:55 PM) Who said that? It's a reasonable objective to me, but if that was the objective you don't trade 4 players for 1 year 2015 rents, you don't spend $4 mill on utility infielders, etc. I am saying based on where they are right now, barring a big spluge in FA, that is probably where they are headed. I don't see them improving by 10 games next year.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 04:45 PM) No it's not. It's getting this year's team to around .500. That's a 8-10 game improvement. Then you try to win again next season with a front 3 of Sale, Rodon, and Quintana. They really don't have anyone to trade off of this team anyway. I don't really see much young help coming. Still more likely to add than subtract in my opinion. You have Sale, Rodon and Q in the rotation right now w Shark and Danks. My guess is they move Shark at deadline for an Avi type. Rodon gets shut down in late August and w/o Shark and Rodon down the stretch they finish below .500 ( 5 or 6 games) I think next year w Sale, Q and Rodan we are looking at .500 ish. Now if you tell me Hahn is going to spend big money in FA market then yes next year could be better than .500

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 04:11 PM) 2015 team will not be over .500 again. The object is to get the 2016 team to .500. Then 2017 we shoot for the wildcard

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Shuck's OPS is .670. Eaton's is .656 Shuck is 4 for his last 15; Eaton is 4 for his last 15. He's also 4 for his last 11. Shuck has never shown anything other than utility level level talent. Eaton had an excellent year last year. Sox do this repeatedly. A utility player has a decent game, and they get in in their heads he's as starter. Pinch hit Bonifacio; play him at DH. Same silly stuff. I am not sure anyone thinks Shuck is the everyday CF. But while Shuck is hitting over .280 on a team that is struggling offensively, he should be playing until his bat cools off. Let Eaton and Melky sit more until they start to hit better.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 12:14 AM) I got fooled by Gordon's hot start. I thought he'd found himself. At least he's now considered good glove/no hit. His glove is pretty OK. Maybe he should have found someone else.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 11:54 AM) FTR, I have no issues with RV taking the time off. Just a general frustration seeing that as the excuses for THIS season pile up, we'll undoubtedly head into NEXT season with the same bad manager and coaching/development staff - and this was the closest Robin-bashing thread available. I'm bummed out. We need a housecleaning and I damn well know it ain't happening. If the Bulls fired a winning coach, why don't you think Robin could be in danger after this season???

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 12:18 PM) Good for the staff to bench eaton. Eaton is playing today so somone must have sent Parent a message.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) So let's get this straight: Eaton gets benched for not playing in. Alexei doesn't make 2 plays that leads us to lose the game, and it's not like this is the first time this happened this season. Alexei has been horrible, yet he plays. Gillaspie comes in to pinch hit yesterday hits a 2 run bomb to take the lead, AND still in on defense for the last 6 outs. This tells me he's not hurt, if he is, then Parent is an idiot. And Beckham still playing over him with a righty on the mound. Flowers comes in the game and immediately lets 2 runners steal on him, yet he plays. Mark Parent is a joke. I hope they fire Parent and convince Robin to come back................................

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 14, 2015 -> 10:52 AM) the point is, in this situation, when hardly is preforming, the team should concertate on players who is preforming. until Eaton starts to show he is worthy of that position and to be in the lineup, then fine. btw, i congratulate on being a fine collector of feces. but i am not interested in prying you away from your pile. I agree. While Shuck is hitting pretty well ( .280 +) he should be playing every day until he cools off. He is hitting almost 50 points higer than Eaton or Melky. So unless he is a bad defensive outfielder, he should start everyday.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 12, 2015 -> 11:13 PM) I didn't want to stick around my out of state school an extra week to attend graduation, but figured it was something I should do or I'd regret it forever. I stayed and was bored that week waiting for graduation and indeed thought graduation was very boring. I did convince my parents not to make the 500 mile drive and they reluctantly agreed to not come. I probably should have let them come because I'm now convinced graduations are more for parents than the graduates. And mine paid for education so it would have been a way for me to thank them. At any rate, it was very boring. Robin will be bored but proud to support his daughter. Nice of the Sox to let him skip three meaningless games to honor his flesh and blood. I don't think he will be bored. He will be forced to fight his way through a gauntlet of White Sox fans booing him for not staying with the team. My guess is he will head out to a bar to watch all 3 games between graduation events and try and manage the team via his cell phone. ......................

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 13, 2015 -> 12:50 AM) They aren't going to get enough value for Shark to trade him. They have 4 good starters and a good bullpen. They need offense and they will definitely try to compete next year. They won't be trading any of their newly added players. The only option is to upgrade the offense and try to get into the playoffs. They have a chance if they can get in with their pitching. You are assuming they can afford to sign Shark then. But again, if you don't trade pitching , how wll you upgrade the offense. If this pitching staff/bullpen finishes .500 or less, unless the Sox spend on signing Shark plus a few FA position players, you will be in the same position next year. I am not sure you are going to see the payroll take another big jump next year if this team does not make the playoffs.

QUOTE (Brian26 @ Jun 12, 2015 -> 06:15 PM) There was a Blackhawks game that night and storms that caused two rain delays. I didn't even watch the game on TV that night let alone go to the Cell. Just amazing nobody would consider that before making a statement like "Chris Sale isn't a draw." I didn't say he was not a draw. I said I am surprised he does not attract bigger crowds when he starts. I do not live in Chicago so I am not going to know about weather. It must have been the weather and not the hockey game. If the weather was the reason then obviously fans do not purchase in advance for his starts. If the Blackhawk game affected Monday's attendance with Sale why was Q's start about the same size crowd on Wednesday???

I am surprised that Chris Sale is not a draw. I saw this week that he did not impact attendance in the Houston series.