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QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 11:41 PM) At the time Sanchez was raking in AAA. It wasn't a bad move considering how bad Johnson was defensively. He was terrible. He was more shoveling. His last 3 weeks in AAA he was struggling.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:45 PM) He got lit up tonight. He's blown four saves. Funny how I used to get ripped for loving Bobby Jenks and I bet at this stage of all his seasons he didn't have four blown saves. Back to your point ... I still think Robertson is sensational, but I guess I could be mistaken. Maybe he's turned into the pitching equivalent of Melky. It is simple. Since he left Yankees, Robertson has added the facial hair. With the beard batters are able to pick up the baseball better coming out of his hand.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:28 PM) This has to be the last game for Ventura and Steverson, right? Yes Parent will be taking over tomorrow.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:21 PM) Chris Sale should demand a trade. Took away another game winning RBI for Flowers.

So Thibs was really a Jerry hire despite what Paxson and Forman wanted. Is Robin considered a Jerry hire despite what KW and Hahn wanted?? It does not seem that RV is being undermined the way Thibs was. But then again, as some pointed out, RV is an insider and Thibs was not.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) Impossible when the ownership supports loyalty over performance. But why are the Bulls run differently???

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) Fire Stevenson, DFA Flowers, move Danks to the bullpen and call up the Johnsons and Kottaras. It's time to start seeing who can play in 2016 and make a point to relegate long-term mediocrity. Flowers may be the leader in the clubhouse......................................... I posted previously that I have doubts about Dave Martinez. He was passed over by Tampa when Maddon left. That would be a concern to mebases on his time there and the success Maddon had. Obviously TB seems to have made a great choice in Cash.

Sale gets his ERA below 3.00 with an easy win.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) I'd do Susac for Samardzija straight up. Giants have no need for a catcher as they are set long-term (obvious statement). I would also but Susac was a career .250 hitter in the minors w less power than Flowers. He better be a a great defensive catcher because a .250 minor league hitter will probably translate to a .230ish ML hitter. I would rather go after one of the Boston young catchers but I think they would want Q instead of Shark.

One of my concerns is trade/talent evaluation. In hindsight, Hahn made a bad choice by insisting on including Avi when the Red Sox offered Iglesias + for Peavy. Since both Iglesias and Avi were International League players, they certainly should have been familiar to Sox scouts. Avi was not a great fielder in the minors but the trade may have been made for his "potential" bat. Now once the Sox saw last year that Avi struggled in the field, why would you go out and get Melky?? Another guy they got for only his "potential" bat. Then they come out of SP w Micah as your 2nd baseman. How did he look in Arizona??? It didn't take long in the ML before they saw he needed work defensively. I know he has some nice offensive tools but again it seems like a lot of decisions ignore defense. Now this does not fall all on Hahn. Teams need to rely on minor league scouting to judge talent when trades involve prospects. We talk about the lack of development in positional players in the minors. Maybe the problem is evaluation as much as development. I am all for trading Q because I feel he is the most valuable asset the team can afford to give up. But in doing so, you better get 2-3 ML ready players back and one better be a catcher or SS. My fear is the ability of the FO to judge the correct package to get back.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 11:01 AM) I think Trace Thompson would do the same thing. Johnson is intriquing, but I would give it a couple more starts in AAA. Guerra is up, and I am sure will get more innings when his performances warrants them. I don' t think you call up Johnson until you actually move a SP. The trade deadline is coming and the hope should be Shark and Danks have a decent 3-4 weeks and someone takes them. Sitting Danks now only ensures no one will want him in July.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 11:21 PM) Except Greene's back in the minors and Guthrie is on the verge of losing his spot in the rotation to Blanton/Duffy (DL)/Medlen (DL). Add Porcello of Boston who is their#4 and Kelly their number 5 both have 5+. CC in New York is mid-5 as well. There are more starting pitchers than Danks over 5. Meanwhile Danks dropped his some last night.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 10:41 PM) I'm all for trading him, as he's worthless on this s*** team, but he won't get much. He'll get as much as Papelbon probably, which is a B level prospect and maybe another intriguing arm thrown in. Boston got Balttimore's #3 prospect for Miller at trading deadline last July and he was only a 2 month rental.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 10:30 PM) Actually, he's among the top of their problems. He's a waste of a roster spot, a waste of around 15 million dollars, and in today's MLB, an ERA over 5 means you are DFA material. THis isn't the steroid era where an ERA over 5 means you are a 5th starter. Check the 5th starters around league, most of them are no worse than 4.5 ERA, if that. Actually just in AL Central, Guthrie KC 5.79 and Greene Det 5.82. are worst than Danks.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 08:05 PM) Most players don't like losing for sure... But year after year in all sports the majority of players sign for the higher paycheck - because for their/family futures. Then we agree

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 06:55 PM) I'm assuming you never played professional sports. It's about the paycheck. By your theory Robertson would have signed with someone else. I think players are happy here. There's no accountability for threat of replacement because it applies to everyone in the whole organization. So according to your theory the Bulls players are just as happy as the Blackhawks??? After all it is just about the paycheck. Somehow I don't think so. Eaton wasn't happy in spite of his paycheck.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:19 PM) If I were a player I'd love to play for Ventura and Cooper. So you like being a loser!!!!! I am assuming you did not play any competitive sports. I doubt any players are happy playing on this team at this point.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) In today's game I almost think it's a requirement that your manager be an ex catcher. Relying on Cooper and Flowers to call the balls and strikes and RV to know when to start the running game and when not doesn't seem to be working very well. The whole thing with how Parent handled Eaton rubbed me the wrong way as well and is indicative of a fractured clubhouse imo. Yea Eaton needs to grow up, play better, and not say dumb s*** like "stir the drink" but how about standing behind the guy you just committed 25 million dollars to instead of having the acting f***ing manager bench him for a career AAAA player? The whole org is a mess right now and the stench goes much deeper than just RV, unfortunately. You don't play a guy solely because of his salary. The manager should bench any player in order to send a message or to incent them to perform better. Sometimes a player needs to re-focus and sitting them for a game or two may light a fire. Again, we as fans have no idea how much effort a player is expending. I saw a piece recently where the Boston media were complaining about Hanley Ramirez putting in minimum work in the outfield during pre-game warm-ups. He is learning and struggling to play LF in Fenway. Typically that is not something the average fan would know.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 04:34 AM) Bob nailed it. That was a great post. When Robin was hired, I thought it was a bad move because he had no experience. But a lot of posters here differed saying a manager in baseball had a minor impact. At this point, I would not fire Robin unless JR thinks the next manager is on staff. Instead I would fire Hahn and/or Williams and bring in a new GM. Let that person then pick his own manager next year where the field of candidates is larger. I think Hahn/Williams has assembled a roster that is flawed and is being coached by a manager that is also flawed.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 10:08 PM) I can't say that trading 4 young players for a rent, and wasting the opportunity of not selling a single player high were great moves. Hahn's one confirmed great move was the Peavy trade, and in that case, there was a tradeable commodity and KW was involved. I have no problem giving him a chance without Williams. But this org. needs a real cleansing. Not sure it was a great move. He could have had Iglesias but opted for Avi. I thought it was a great move but in hindsight did the Tigers get the better of that deal.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) 21 innings. Q is killing this offense. He has struck out twice

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 03:56 PM) In 78 ABs...Micah Johnson for example has 74 ABs. Sample sizes are your friend. Agree but those numbers would be great for a Number 2. He also has one of the highest averages in ML for throwing out baserunners.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) Werent they talking about putting Abreu at 3rd for interleague play? Or was that them just trying to be cute? What is the worst that could happen? Our defense stay awful? He get hurt

John Farrell is on very thin ice in Boston. Some media think it is a waste to fire him now but he will be gone by end of season. He won a World Series two years ago w some of these same players. Now he has had 2 lousy years. I don't think his personality changed. I don't think leaders like Ortiz, Pedroia and Napoli have changed. Basically the 2013 team performed and the last two years the team w changes has not. Maybe the GM takes a hit as well since they spent a ton and may end up just as bad as the White Sox. The good thing is I think Hahn might be able to scoop some young talent from them since Boston will be desperate for pitching. Hopefully they don't take Hamels and are in market for a young pitcher, Q, in the off-season. Mmaybe we need more of these types: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/pr...4da4411660.html

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 04:48 PM) What exactly do you hate about the Shark trade? Yeah, he's been pretty damn mediocre. But it looked worse when Semien was hitting, but he is hitting .180 the past month and is literally one of the most comically bad shortstops in recent history. Phegley is garbage, Ravelo hasn't appeared in a game this year and Bassit has been Ok but unspectacular in AAA. It hasn't really panned out to this point, but let's not act like the SOX gave up their future. Actually Phegley is having a good year so far both offensively and throwing out runners.