Balta1701 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 07:38 PM) The memo BuzzFeed posted is legit, and it's what intelligence sources presented to Trump's team recently. What's unverified are the specific claims of the British and other intelligence sources, at least unclassified/publicly. e: how? how does this election/Presidency get even more absurd? But emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 06:38 PM) The memo BuzzFeed posted is legit, and it's what intelligence sources presented to Trump's team recently. What's unverified are the specific claims of the British and other intelligence sources, at least unclassified/publicly. e: how? how does this election/Presidency get even more absurd? Well, there is a sex tape out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 06:50 PM) Well, there is a sex tape out there Jill Stein being courted by the Russians is an interesting tidbit in that document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 06:49 PM) But emails. damn it I meant to make a "sure, our President is deeply compromised and is blackmailed by Russia, but at least he doesn't have lax email server management!" joke. Edited January 11, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 06:22 PM) There have been kompromat rumors floating around, but that report seems more concrete than anything else I've seen. Trump spent time in Russia and has lots of business dealings there. I mean, if those allegations are true, his campaign was colluding with foreign agents and Russia has very serious information on Trump they can use to blackmail him. That's pretty serious. I'm not sure if this will get enough focus in the shower of details, but this nugget from the CNN article seems important. Some of the memos were circulating as far back as last summer. What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Is the media seriously running with the golden showers troll? These were made in 4chan last July. Did they run with the ones where he dresses as a Japanese girl too? Buzzfeed got duped. Edited January 11, 2017 by Buehrle>Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Guardian article The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.The FISA court rejects something like 0.01% of surveillance applications, so that's a really interesting detail as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I'm not sure buzzfeed made the right move but not sure "everyone knows about something but nobody talks about it" is good either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 07:01 PM) Is the media seriously running with the golden showers troll? These were made in 4chan last July. Did they run with the ones where he dresses as a Japanese girl too? Buzzfeed got duped. lol you voted for trump and you're going to accuse anyone else of being duped, just lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Comey: I don't comment on pending investigations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 07:29 PM) I'm not sure buzzfeed made the right move but not sure "everyone knows about something but nobody talks about it" is good either. This was their statement on publishing the dossier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I saw their statement, but publishing a dossier like that and admitting you can't verify is dangerous. There is certainly some false stuff in there (conservatively) and if so that will be used to discredit all info in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Follow igorvolskyVerified account @igorvolsky Jeff Sessions' face as he hears about @CNN's Russia compromised Trump story from @alfranken at the Judiciary Committee moments ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) Well, there is a sex tape out there At this point, the video could get leaked (hehe), and some folks would still be twisting themselves in pretzels to deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 07:34 PM) I saw their statement, but publishing a dossier like that and admitting you can't verify is dangerous. There is certainly some false stuff in there (conservatively) and if so that will be used to discredit all info in future. It's the dossier the intelligence community has already presented to Trump, a man who spent years as the leader of the idiot birther brigade. Either way, this is another win for Russia, though. Not even in office yet, and Trump's legitimacy is deeply suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 https://lawfareblog.com/about-explosive-tru...ake-deep-breath Well reasoned assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 07:39 PM) https://lawfareblog.com/about-explosive-tru...ake-deep-breath Well reasoned assessment. Sure, but I think a key part in there is the Guardian update: The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation. This is something that the intelligence community has been taking very seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 07:37 PM) It's the dossier the intelligence community has already presented to Trump, a man who spent years as the leader of the idiot birther brigade. Either way, this is another win for Russia, though. Not even in office yet, and Trump's legitimacy is deeply suspicious. The problem is context. You don't know what from the document they have presented, it was gathered from elsewhere. And absent that context, it will all be taken equally. If the lighter claims get shot down, it won't matter if any is true. The CNN report was much better reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 09:37 PM) It's the dossier the intelligence community has already presented to Trump, a man who spent years as the leader of the idiot birther brigade. Either way, this is another win for Russia, though. Not even in office yet, and Trump's legitimacy is deeply suspicious. Not necessarily. Per the CNN report, the Intelligence community presented Trump with a 2 page summary of documents that they believe are legitimate and derived from the investigation of someone from MI6 over a number of years. That summary was supposedly based on a number of different reports. This dump by Buzzfeed may or may not include some or all of those specific reports, and it may also potentially include fabricated ones - since we have no way currently to verify the chain of documents and per their statement they cannot verify that these are all the same documents that the intel report was based on, it would be entirely possible for some portion of this to have been invented by someone online and wound up added to their document dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 07:45 PM) Not necessarily. Per the CNN report, the Intelligence community presented Trump with a 2 page summary of documents that they believe are legitimate and derived from the investigation of someone from MI6 over a number of years. That summary was supposedly based on a number of different reports. This dump by Buzzfeed may or may not include some or all of those specific reports, and it may also potentially include fabricated ones - since we have no way currently to verify the chain of documents and per their statement they cannot verify that these are all the same documents that the intel report was based on, it would be entirely possible for some portion of this to have been invented by someone online and wound up added to their document dump. Yes this was better put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 On the one hand, I agree with what you're saying. On the other, facts clearly no longer matter so bring on the Trump piss jokes by the bucket full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) On the one hand, I agree with what you're saying. On the other, facts clearly no longer matter so bring on the Trump piss jokes by the bucket full. I'm not saying it is true, I hope it's not, but a lot of people are saying....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Trump responding with "FAKE NEWS" and a link to "www.lifezette.com", whatever that is. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/...src=twsrc%5Etfw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Edited January 11, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I guess the GOP will also try to discredit this by making ties to "pro-Clinton" groups and use the 'ol political witch hunt line to try to dismiss everything that's attempting to stick to the wall. Someone needs to do one of those Sox "future payrolls" spreadsheets but put together a bulletin or whiteboard (think Sherlock Holmes in Elementary) of all the various Russian ties and attempting to link them all together in a spiderweb of conflicts. http://www.newsweek.com/robert-reich-trump...s-russia-531386 Here's a pretty decent summary from about a month ago, but a bit superficial feeling now. You've got Manafort, Tillerson, Cohen, Michael Flynn, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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