tray Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) Without Sale and Eaton, but with Moncada and a lot of possibilities for the bullpen and rotation , the Sox , at least in theory, have a chance to win a lot of games. Let's assume they do and fans start getting excited like we did last season. Do the Sox then try to plug in a DH or RF player via trade to improve the team or do they try to tank the season by making trades involving Frazier, Robertson and Mellky that will likely only bring back less than elite prospects ? Edited to qualify 20-10....I mean that they have a dominant April, I know they probably have fewer games than that.. Edited December 17, 2016 by miracleon35th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 10:32 AM) Without Sale and Eaton, but with Moncada and a lot of possibilities for the bullpen and rotation , the Sox , at least in theory, have a chance to win a lot of games. Let's assume they do and fans start getting excited like we did last season. Do the Sox then try to plug in a DH or RF player via trade to improve the team or do they try to tank the season by making trades involving Frazier, Robertson and Mellky that will likely only bring back less than elite prospects ? You won't see moncada until late may or early June at the earliest. It would be unforgivable to waste a year of his service time. If the sox are winning, then great. But 99 percent chance it does not work out that way and we are headed for 60 wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Gut the farm for a set up man and maybe a 4 starter and go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 We saw how well a hot start worked out for us this past year.... The rebuild has started and there's no going back. Best to just accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 That's basically what Phils did last year. It's good news because it means some unexpected players playing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 A hot start is actually possible with the roster as constructed. If Quintana goes HAM and Rodon takes the next step to ace-hood they could see roughly the same 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation as they did last year. Migo keeps it up and Holland proves to be a good signing that's all the starting rotation they'd need to peel off another scorching run to start the year. On the other side I suppose Frazier could have an MVP first half like he did in 2015 and maybe Abreu picks up where he left off last seson. At least one of the infielders would have to break out, like Lawrie puts it all together finally. The bullpen is so atrocious though they would basically be sitting on the same time bomb as they were last year. Robertson and Jones could be having monster seasons even, but we saw how well the "no lead is safe" bullpen worked out last year. Wound up being too much to overcome and the team imploded. That and they've dealt away like 12 wins at 2 positions off the major league roster from a 78 win team, I dont think they'll be competitive. BUT IF THEY ARE I suppose the front office just lets it ride. Give serious thought to extending Frazier but if his pricetag is too high him and Robertson are two guys I'd deal at the deadline almost regardless of how well the team is doing. Of course if they're on some insane 95 win pace dont touch a thing, but come July I figure their hot start would at least have evened out if not all together collapsed. It'd be nice to be sitting on a bunch of valuable assets at the deadline in 2017 even if that means the Sox wont be drafting in the top 3. 2015 first half Todd Frazier even as a rental would get a haul, and we saw what a rental closer cost last year so that bodes pretty well for Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) That's basically what Phils did last year. It's good news because it means some unexpected players playing well. Right, hopefully an Odubel Herrera emerges. But yeah, Moncada will not be on the team in April, even if he's ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas_Ventura_Roberts Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 That would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Then I guess we could rule out the #1 pick and brace for the collapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Regardless of whether they are 30-0 or 0-30 to start the season, STAY WITH THE PLAN. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 After the first week, the Sox play 44 of 66 games on the road. Good luck with that hot start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) After the first week, the Sox play 44 of 66 games on the road. Good luck with that hot start. Yeah, looking at the first 30 games, they have 12 home games, 18 road games, 24 division games (which the White Sox struggled with when they had Sale and Eaton), 3 games @ Yankees, and 3 games @ Orioles. 10-20 seems a lot more likely than 20-10 given the schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 We're coming off a 78 win team and just traded Chris Sale & Adam Eaton. Those guys combined for 11.2 WAR last year and will be replaced by Derek Holland & Charlie Tilson or Rymer Liriano. We will also get the benefit of starting the season with Big Game James Shields and his 6.01 FIP. I won't rule out anything because only a sith deals in absolutes, but the odds of us starting 20-10 next year is about as good as Deadpool making a post without mentioning the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) Without Sale and Eaton, but with Moncada and a lot of possibilities for the bullpen and rotation , the Sox , at least in theory, have a chance to win a lot of games. Let's assume they do and fans start getting excited like we did last season. Do the Sox then try to plug in a DH or RF player via trade to improve the team or do they try to tank the season by making trades involving Frazier, Robertson and Mellky that will likely only bring back less than elite prospects ? Edited to qualify 20-10....I mean that they have a dominant April, I know they probably have fewer games than that.. Statistically it is possible that could happen, but there's massive mean reversion over a 162 game season, and teams generally end up playing relatively close to their expected W/L. So if it happens, it would be a lot of luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 No matter what, the plan should not change. No more half-assed rebuilds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 The cubs made crazy favorable trades to get Addison Russell and Jake Arrieta. They made much better Draft picks and got lucky that Bryant was there when they had a top pick. They basically stole Rizzo. There is no guarantee that this rebuilding plan will do anything but make the Sox stink for several years and come back somewhere near the middle of the pack. Trading Frazier, Robertson and Melky probably isn't going to net any players that will elevate the Sox to top contenders for a WS. Similarly, teams are not offering players that could be game changers in exchange for Quintana. So this rebuilding plan has a lot of pitfalls. It might be better to moderate the rebuild or half azz it as some say, in order to stay reasonable competitive. There is no guarantee that teh Sox get a top 3 pick in the Draft no matter how bad they are because there are several teams that are probably worse. And, as we have see, even when the Sox have a top 10 pick, they don't a;ways make the right decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) our draft in 2016 was great. I don't look at Fulmer as a fail, certainly not Rodon either. So I don't get this attitude that the Sox will screw up the 2018 draft choice, besides which that is only a piece of the rebuild. You can't get great by half-assing the rebuild. Edited December 17, 2016 by Al Lopez's Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 The Sox couldn't maintain the '16 hot start with Eaton and Sale but they could in '17 without? Yeah, because years and years of "rebuilding on the fly" and " retooling" has proven to be so successful the Sox should continue that method of insanity. No matter what, stay the course and see this rebuild through. Like it or not it's happening so embrace it and enjoy the ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) The cubs made crazy favorable trades to get Addison Russell and Jake Arrieta. They made much better Draft picks and got lucky that Bryant was there when they had a top pick. They basically stole Rizzo. There is no guarantee that this rebuilding plan will do anything but make the Sox stink for several years and come back somewhere near the middle of the pack. Trading Frazier, Robertson and Melky probably isn't going to net any players that will elevate the Sox to top contenders for a WS. Similarly, teams are not offering players that could be game changers in exchange for Quintana. So this rebuilding plan has a lot of pitfalls. It might be better to moderate the rebuild or half azz it as some say, in order to stay reasonable competitive. There is no guarantee that teh Sox get a top 3 pick in the Draft no matter how bad they are because there are several teams that are probably worse. And, as we have see, even when the Sox have a top 10 pick, they don't a;ways make the right decision. Don't half ass the rebuild. It will take at least three seasons, if not more but we will get there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) The cubs made crazy favorable trades to get Addison Russell and Jake Arrieta. They made much better Draft picks and got lucky that Bryant was there when they had a top pick. They basically stole Rizzo. There is no guarantee that this rebuilding plan will do anything but make the Sox stink for several years and come back somewhere near the middle of the pack. Trading Frazier, Robertson and Melky probably isn't going to net any players that will elevate the Sox to top contenders for a WS. Similarly, teams are not offering players that could be game changers in exchange for Quintana. So this rebuilding plan has a lot of pitfalls. It might be better to moderate the rebuild or half azz it as some say, in order to stay reasonable competitive. There is no guarantee that teh Sox get a top 3 pick in the Draft no matter how bad they are because there are several teams that are probably worse. And, as we have see, even when the Sox have a top 10 pick, they don't a;ways make the right decision. I didn't know elrockin had multiple accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIRO2017 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Why do we have to read about the damn Cubs in every thread? WHO CARES about the damn Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) our draft in 2016 was great. I don't look at Fulmer as a fail, certainly not Rodon either. So I don't get this attitude that the Sox will screw up the 2018 draft choice, besides which that is only a piece of the rebuild. You can't get great by half-assing the rebuild. Agree on all points Al. People need to learn patience. QUOTE (BRIRO2017 @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) Why do we have to read about the damn Cubs in every thread? WHO CARES about the damn Cubs. Thank you!!! Was thinking the same thing myself. I don't give a toss what the other team has done or is doing, just what the Chicago White Sox are doing and imho they are doing just fine so far this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (BRIRO2017 @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) Why do we have to read about the damn Cubs in every thread? WHO CARES about the damn Cubs. +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 As of now this team is much worse than the 2016 White Sox. They've lost Sale and Eaton. They have not added a catcher, DH or another outfielder. It would be a miracle if this team became a contender. I don't believe in miracles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 If they win, you just let them play. It's highly unlikely that if they're winning, it's because the players reveal some underlying level of ability indicating they are really able to compete in the long haul. So you don't do much of anything to add to the team short of perhaps considering veteran free agents who couldn't make it onto a team in Spring Training. If the trade deadline comes around and you within a game or so of playoff contention, you might have to hold off on trading the Quintana types who are still on the team..but if you're in a situation more like the Yankees were this season, technically in it but not super close, you still move guys off the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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