BlackSox13 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 12:28 PM) Don't want to clutter the new thread, but if Gammons is right that the Astros are coming back with an offer for Q similar to the offer that was turned down for Archer (Martes/Tucker/Paulino + 2 other prospects), I suspect things will start to move quickly. Pirates can obviously beat that offer, but it will definitely put the pressure on the Pirates to make their best and final offer. Glad you posted this, I was just about to do it myself. Sounds like the Astros shifted away from Q due to the asking price, shifted their focus elsewhere only to find that other teams want alot for their pitching so now the Astros come crawling back for the best available pitcher. So now that the Astros have come full circle, I agree that it sounds like things are picking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 12:40 PM) Glad you posted this, I was just about to do it myself. Sounds like the Astros shifted away from Q due to the asking price, shifted their focus elsewhere only to find that other teams want alot for their pitching so now the Astros come crawling back for the best available pitcher. So now that the Astros have come full circle, I agree that it sounds like things are picking up. Bregman or bust. Otherwise use them as trade bait for the Pirates. None of their positional player prospects are as enticing as the Pirates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (Special K @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:12 PM) Bregman or bust. Otherwise use them as trade bait for the Pirates. None of their positional player prospects are as enticing as the Pirates. Bregman isn't happening and if we're the Astros I wouldn't trade him for Q either. The Astros have some really nice position player prospects depending on what one is interested in. Fisher and Hernandez are very interesting prospects that project to debut in '17. Then there's youngsters such as Tucker, Laureano, Stubbs's and Martin that are at least a few years away but still very interesting. They also have Reed who mashed in AAA but struggled in his MLB debut. Imo, the Astros have more than enough positional talent worth trading for. The real question is are they willing to part with it. As for the Pirates. They are an ideal fit provided Glasnow and at least one of Bell/Meadows is in the return but if the Pirates are bullish and want to keep both Meadows and Bell ( it's been rumored) then the Pirates are better off trading for one of the Dodgers broken down pitchers because Huntington obviously isnt ready to play with the big boys just yet. Huntington wants the best pitcher on the trade market but doesn't want to give up his best prospects which is a trade killer. I hope Huntington proves me wrong but going by how the Pirate fanbase feels about their GM I wouldn't count on Huntington's balls to drop anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I think the headline return for Q needs to an OF prospect. It's where we are starved the most. Bregman would've been nice to lock up 3b tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) Yeah, Pirates fans are much more realistic and i wish a few of them were GM's. I read an article yesterday by a Pitt writer that said the Pirates should trade Meadows, Glasnow and Bell for Q. Man do I wish that guy was the Pitt GM.lol. Good call on the Astros fans. They say similar things about Q that the Yankee fans do. Quite humorous. Do you read the s*** that WE type sometimes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 35s36 seconds ago José Quintana trade talks continue, sources say, with #Astros among the most serious suitors. @MLB @MLBNetwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Starting to get alot warmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 35s36 seconds ago José Quintana trade talks continue, sources say, with #Astros among the most serious suitors. @MLB @MLBNetwork Come crawling back. You should have paid up the first time, now Hahn should ask for even more. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:48 PM) Do you read the s*** that WE type sometimes? Absolutely dude and and I am one of those offenders of crazy trade proposals. But I think Sox fans here are overall more practical than what I've read from Yanks, Boston and Astros fans this winter. The Pirates fanbase has been extremely practical imho, and I've gained alot of respect for those fans because it shows they not only know their own team well but have a very practical understanding of Q's value. Definitely some knowledgeable baseball fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Speaking of the Astros, OF Ramon Laureano is an interesting prospect. He had stupid numbers last year. Sickels has him number 7 on his list, whereas Baseball America doesn't even have him in the top 10. Wonder how the White Sox feel about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hey, we got a serious adjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Its 12 degrees outside by Midway, could use some HOT STOVE on this COLD DAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) Come crawling back. You should have paid up the first time, now Hahn should ask for even more. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 35s36 seconds ago José Quintana trade talks continue, sources say, with #Astros among the most serious suitors. @MLB @MLBNetwork Wake me up when we get the "White Sox close to Quintana trade" tweet. We've heard enough of the talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) Absolutely dude and and I am one of those offenders of crazy trade proposals. But I think Sox fans here are overall more practical than what I've read from Yanks, Boston and Astros fans this winter. The Pirates fanbase has been extremely practical imho, and I've gained alot of respect for those fans because it shows they not only know their own team well but have a very practical understanding of Q's value. Definitely some knowledgeable baseball fans. I think we are more practical now, in July, however, we were literally just writing the top ten prospects for every team and then questioning whether getting a 10 for 1 deal was even enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Random thought here but I wonder if Bregman coukd be available if both Q and Frazier were going to Houston. Luhnow likes HR's so it's possible he might be interested in Frazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 03:06 PM) Wake me up when we get the "White Sox close to Quintana trade" tweet. We've heard enough of the talking. dingdingdingdingding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Okay lets create a phone tree to map out who we need to wake up. Someone start a google doc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) Speaking of the Astros, OF Ramon Laureano is an interesting prospect. He had stupid numbers last year. Sickels has him number 7 on his list, whereas Baseball America doesn't even have him in the top 10. Wonder how the White Sox feel about him. Agreed on Laureano, interesting prospect. Here's a write up on him along with an Astros top 10 from a prospect website https://prospect361.com/al-team-prospects/houston-astros/ . The writer came away very impressed with him. Martes, Tucker, Laureano, + seems like a very good package that is on par with what the Sox got for Sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 WSD predicts Martes, Tucker, Fisher, Stubbs, and Laureano if Houston trade were to get done. MAKE THEM PAY MORE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hrmm. whitesoxdave @barstoolWSD 9m9 minutes ago IF a deal gets done with Houston, I'm gonna predict the return to be Martes, Tucker, Stubbs, Fisher, Laureano 8 replies 9 retweets 16 likes Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 1m1 minute ago @barstoolWSD @JamesFox917 I would guess no Tucker 2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) WSD predicts Martes, Tucker, Fisher, Stubbs, and Laureano if Houston trade were to get done. MAKE THEM PAY MORE! That's a good deal. If they get it, they should take it and run. I want Reed, but I want Fisher and Laureano more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Merkin thinks Tucker wont be included. But Dave's trade makes no sense with Fisher and Tucker included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 03:14 PM) Hrmm. whitesoxdave @barstoolWSD 9m9 minutes ago IF a deal gets done with Houston, I'm gonna predict the return to be Martes, Tucker, Stubbs, Fisher, Laureano 8 replies 9 retweets 16 likes Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 1m1 minute ago @barstoolWSD @JamesFox917 I would guess no Tucker 2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes That won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 QUOTE (pablo @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 03:10 PM) Agreed on Laureano, interesting prospect. Here's a write up on him along with an Astros top 10 from a prospect website https://prospect361.com/al-team-prospects/houston-astros/ . The writer came away very impressed with him. Martes, Tucker, Laureano, + seems like a very good package that is on par with what the Sox got for Sale. No offense, but that's not even close to comparable with the Sale deal. Bregman + Tucker + Daz Cameron + a flier would be the Astro's equivalent. And just because it's been asked before. Yankees equivalent: Torres, Rutherford, Tate + flier Pirates: Meadows, Newman, Hayes, Diaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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