bmags Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I don’t think he’ll get more than a minor league deal and I’d be fine giving that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 06:56 PM) I honestly can't think of a downside to giving him an opportunity. In my mind, the positives far outweigh the negatives. This. Offer him a minor league deal with a couple of million in incentives if he can pitch for the big club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Coop'll fix him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 07:01 PM) If we are talking about pure lottery tickets, I'd rather roll the dice on the 2x Cy Young winner. I'm sure you would but the sox already passed on him once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 09:14 PM) Given all the Sox playoff success the last decade, I'm not ready to say their choices are the gospel. I do think we'll sign some sort of vet this offseason. Hopefully it's a good fit. I mean, at least teammates seem to like Shields, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 08:58 PM) I'm sure you would but the sox already passed on him once This doesn't mean the Sox were or weren't the best offer last time around. It doesn't even mean they weren't interested. None of us know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I doubt he would want to hang at Charlotte very long. Didn't pitch at all last year and was like James Shields at his worst in 2016. Don't really know what kind of prospect a team would give you on a flip even if he had some success, but I would imagine it wouldn't be an interesting one. Probably one you could just buy with what you would have to pay Lincecum. He's pretty much a waste of money IMO. Just remember his glory days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) Marc Topkin @TBTimes_Rays 21s BREAKING: #Rays have traded Longoria to #Giants Edited December 20, 2017 by Sleepy Harold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) Jeff PassanVerified account @JeffPassan Following Following @JeffPassan More Source: Christian Arroyo is headed to the Rays in the Evan Longoria deal. Jeff Passan @JeffPassan now Source: Denard Span also is headed to Tampa Bay. Jeff Passan @JeffPassan now Source: Giants get Evan Longoria for Christian Arroyo, Denard Span, Matt Krook and Stephen Woods. Edited December 20, 2017 by Sleepy Harold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:39 AM) I doubt he would want to hang at Charlotte very long. Didn't pitch at all last year and was like James Shields at his worst in 2016. Don't really know what kind of prospect a team would give you on a flip even if he had some success, but I would imagine it wouldn't be an interesting one. Probably one you could just buy with what you would have to pay Lincecum. He's pretty much a waste of money IMO. Just remember his glory days. Most deals like this have an opt out built in to them. For a guy who didn't pitch in 17 and only pitched less than 80 IP in both 15 and 16, he almost has to be willing to take some time at AAA if needed. No one is going to offer him a major league deal, and they are going to want to see him be both healthy and effective before staking a rotation spot to him. He is probably going to be looking at around six figures with a promise of a couple of million if he can make a team and pitch for some amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) Jeff PassanVerified account @JeffPassan Following Following @JeffPassan More Source: Christian Arroyo is headed to the Rays in the Evan Longoria deal. Jeff Passan @JeffPassan now Source: Denard Span also is headed to Tampa Bay. Jeff Passan @JeffPassan now Source: Giants get Evan Longoria for Christian Arroyo, Denard Span, Matt Krook and Stephen Woods. Baseball finally had a bowel movement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) Baseball finally had a bowel movement! I know nothing about Arroyo. Must be good. Edit: his stats in the minors don't look all that impressive. Edited December 20, 2017 by hi8is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) Most deals like this have an opt out built in to them. For a guy who didn't pitch in 17 and only pitched less than 80 IP in both 15 and 16, he almost has to be willing to take some time at AAA if needed. No one is going to offer him a major league deal, and they are going to want to see him be both healthy and effective before staking a rotation spot to him. He is probably going to be looking at around six figures with a promise of a couple of million if he can make a team and pitch for some amount of time. I don't disagree, but I would think his tolerance for the minor leagues is probably less than most in his situation. I doubt he would stay there 2 months. A heck of a lot would have to go right for him to A. be successful, and B. get the team much in a trade. He hasn't been good in a long time. Maybe there is some miracle that could occur, but even if there was, chances are it would fade pretty quickly. Edited December 20, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:07 AM) I know nothing about Arroyo. Must be good. Edit: his stats in the minors don't look all that impressive. It's one of the fan advantages of salary caps. The free agents sign immediately. They can't be left holding the bag with every team using their space. It basically eliminates the Scott Boras factor. Next year might even be worse. We will hear about all the crap that is going to happen at the Winter Meetings, and it will be a dud for most teams. This winter was going to be boring for White Sox fans anyways. But the boredom has spread league wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:07 AM) I know nothing about Arroyo. Must be good. Edit: his stats in the minors don't look all that impressive. Yeah, he's a nice prospect but nothing to write home about. I think the the lack of power is the knock on him. He is a doubles machine so it seems he knows how to hit the gaps and place the ball down the lines. s***, watch TB turn Arroyo into an all star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 Pour out a little liquor for our banner. Tommy Viola @Tommy_the_V 3m3 minutes ago Cody Asche recently signed with the #Royals. He hit .292 with 14 homers & 57 RBIs with @KnightsBaseball last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 Jon HeymanVerified account @JonHeyman 58m58 minutes ago jhoulys chacin, brewers are finalizing agreement @Ken_Rosenthal 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale 1h1 hour ago The #Rays, of course, now will be trying to trade Denard Span if they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 09:48 AM) Jeff PassanVerified account @JeffPassan Following Following @JeffPassan More Source: Christian Arroyo is headed to the Rays in the Evan Longoria deal. Jeff Passan @JeffPassan now Source: Denard Span also is headed to Tampa Bay. Jeff Passan @JeffPassan now Source: Giants get Evan Longoria for Christian Arroyo, Denard Span, Matt Krook and Stephen Woods. Dick Vitale (a Rays season ticket holder) is pretty pissed. He sent out a tweet saying fans aren't paying major league prices to see minor league players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) Dick Vitale (a Rays season ticket holder) is pretty pissed. He sent out a tweet saying fans aren't paying major league prices to see minor league players. Sounds like the Marlins Man 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 03:08 PM) Sounds like the Marlins Man 😆 Actually the Rays got a really good haul for Longoria. Dude is 32 has a ton of money left and coming off a down year he's basically been a 3ish WAR player the last couple. Giants farm blows but they got their top prospect a 50 ish and two interesting arms. Not bad, not bad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 03:42 PM) Actually the Rays got a really good haul for Longoria. Dude is 32 has a ton of money left and coming off a down year he's basically been a 3ish WAR player the last couple. Giants farm blows but they got their top prospect a 50 ish and two interesting arms. Not bad, not bad at all. Heliot Ramos is definitely the Giants top prospect, but you're right that it's a decent value overall when you consider the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:57 AM) Baseball finally had a bowel movement! Teams don't want to get into bidding wars over free agents, so there have been so many more trades. (Other than bullpen arms) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 The #Nats make great move to fortify offense, signing Matt Adams to one-year, $4 million contract with $500,000 in incentives. Deal is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) The #Nats make great move to fortify offense, signing Matt Adams to one-year, $4 million contract with $500,000 in incentives. Deal is done. Adam Lind was doomed after he GIDP on the first pitch from Davis who couldn't throw a strike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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