October 22, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, wegner said: Jack McKeon won a world series with the Marlins when he was 72. I'm not saying that I want LaRussa back but I think it is more important what players are brought in/back next year than who the manager is quite frankly. I'm pretty certain just replacing Renteria with an average in game tactical manager will be worth about 10 runs, or one win. A excellent in game manager might be worth 20 runs over Renteria -- so yea, your point is a good one the bigger difference will be in the players. It all adds up tho. Edited October 22, 20205 yr by chitownsportsfan
October 22, 20205 yr On 10/14/2020 at 9:35 PM, jamesdiego said: You’re preaching to the choir about Jerrys record, which I’ve never been afraid to criticize. Though I’m happy and respect the job they did on the rebuild, and relieved/ very happy they have moved on from Renteria/ Cooper, so have no interest to complain about Jerry’s past failures (yes, there are many). I wasn’t around for the LaRussa days so I don’t know details or info from newspapers or radio back then. But I’m fairly confident Jerry didn’t just make Hawk the GM to grab headlines. He must’ve just been buying the bullshit Hawk was slinging about ideas on what he would do to run the franchise and make it better. You know, great ideas like Fisk in the outfield. Lol If LaRussa did resist Hawk brilliant ideas for change, the proper reasoning is not to then let Hawk fire him, but the correct reasoning looking back was to fire Hawk to prevent losing LaRussa. The Sox might’ve looked a little moronic like you said firing Hawk before LaRussa. But the Sox looked far more moronic in letting their announcer/ faux GM to fire their manager to satisfy his ego, to just fire said faux GM months later. Both Jerry and Hawk seem to be in agreement that he had no business being in the front office and it was a mistake. And Hawk regrets firing the hall of fame manager. So in my eyes there’s no point in defending Hawks moronic dislike for LaRussa in the late 80’s if Hawk himself has even evolved to fully realizing he was the idiot It is interesting wondering just how the Sox would have done with LaRussa at the helm long term. Maybe they are able to push past the Jays in 93? To bad we didn’t get a chance to see. "But I’m fairly confident Jerry didn’t just make Hawk the GM to grab headlines." You're right, that's not the only or even the main reason Hawk was hired to be the GM. Here's what impressed Reinsdorf about Harrelson and it's something not a lot of people remember. In the offseason of 1983 to 1984 Julio Cruz was as good as gone, as he was already to sign with the Angels as a free agent. Harrelson was the one who convinced Cruz to resign and stay with the White Sox. Reinsdorf was impressed how Harrelson was able to convince Cruz to stay. He wasn't hired as GM right away, not until 1986, but this incident is where Reinsdorf began thinking of Hawk as a possible GM.
October 22, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I'm pretty certain just replacing Renteria with an average in game tactical manager will be worth about 10 runs, or one win. A excellent in game manager might be worth 20 runs over Renteria -- so yea, your point is a good one the bigger difference will be in the players. It all adds up tho. Heck, replacing him would probably have won at least 2 more games that last week of the season....and most likely would have gotten us out of the wild card round this year.
October 22, 20205 yr For those that worry about whether TLR will fit in with the younger players on this club - given the Sox talked to TA (and maybe a few others) prior to letting Ricky go, isn't it safe to assume RH and gang may ask a few of the leaders to way in as it relates to a potential managerial hire. I don't envision the players making the decision, more just getting a high level reaction if there were any concerns (may even get specific - i.e., would the team be okay with Hinch given what happened or if it was TLR, etc).
October 22, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Chisoxfn said: For those that worry about whether TLR will fit in with the younger players on this club - given the Sox talked to TA (and maybe a few others) prior to letting Ricky go, isn't it safe to assume RH and gang may ask a few of the leaders to way in as it relates to a potential managerial hire. I don't envision the players making the decision, more just getting a high level reaction if there were any concerns (may even get specific - i.e., would the team be okay with Hinch given what happened or if it was TLR, etc). Agree I think it's pretty clear the Sox value the input of guys like TA, Dallas and Jose. Hell for all we know TA helped push Renteria out the door. Anybody they hire will be cleared with the team leaders. I really think the Sox have turned over a new leaf (finally) and joined more progressive franchises in the manager hiring process. I know it sounds crazy with the old man TLR as the seemingly main candidate but there's been a change in thinking otherwise Cooper would still be around even if Renteria was fired. It's all about empowering the players to be the best version of themselves. If that man is TLR, despite his age, that's cool.
October 22, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, greg775 said: Why are you guys so worried about age? Tony can speak Spanish which is pivotal and he's in the Hall of Fame. Nothing wrong with having a grumpy manager once in a while. I still say it's fate. He wins 2 WS with the Sox then bows out and all is right in the world. He never should have been fired by Hawk. Because you want a manager that can and will be with this team for what is supposed to be a long run. Tony will be 80 in four years dude! Think about that! The guys you listed off are 65(Bochy), 72 (Stone), 73 (Leyland) and 76 (larussa). You want a guy closer to their age than their grandparents, this team needs that.
October 22, 20205 yr 42 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Because you want a manager that can and will be with this team for what is supposed to be a long run. Tony will be 80 in four years dude! Think about that! The guys you listed off are 65(Bochy), 72 (Stone), 73 (Leyland) and 76 (larussa). You want a guy closer to their age than their grandparents, this team needs that. TLRs age isn't even as big of a deal as the fact that things have changed A LOT since he was last in the dugout. Hell he could lose half the team on day 1 with his anthem stance.
October 23, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: TLRs age isn't even as big of a deal as the fact that things have changed A LOT since he was last in the dugout. Hell he could lose half the team on day 1 with his anthem stance. I think there is also an energy issue. TLR was very involved in 2018 w Cora and his staff but that was a consultant. If JR is enamored w Tony, maybe he adds him as a consultant who can assist a younger manager. Just not sure TLR has the ability to be a full time manager at 76.
October 23, 20205 yr On 10/21/2020 at 4:46 PM, greg775 said: My choices, with the realization Oz has no chance cause of his mouth: Tony baby No. 1 (Hall of Famer). 2.) Bochy strong second (no brainer). 3. Steve Stone (don't laugh, though I'd miss him on MLB broadcasts). 4. Jim Leyland (if healthy). Just my takes. This is a really good list. I’d add Jack McKeon at #5 and call it a day.
October 23, 20205 yr 17 hours ago, IWokeUpLikeThis said: This is a really good list. I’d add Jack McKeon at #5 and call it a day. Welcome to Soxtalk!
October 24, 20205 yr On 10/22/2020 at 1:44 PM, Soxsi75 said: "But I’m fairly confident Jerry didn’t just make Hawk the GM to grab headlines." You're right, that's not the only or even the main reason Hawk was hired to be the GM. Here's what impressed Reinsdorf about Harrelson and it's something not a lot of people remember. In the offseason of 1983 to 1984 Julio Cruz was as good as gone, as he was already to sign with the Angels as a free agent. Harrelson was the one who convinced Cruz to resign and stay with the White Sox. Reinsdorf was impressed how Harrelson was able to convince Cruz to stay. He wasn't hired as GM right away, not until 1986, but this incident is where Reinsdorf began thinking of Hawk as a possible GM. Harrelson was actually hired as GM in September 1985 and Cruz had already bombed as a player. This is one historic reason why I don't want JR picking the next manager. He will have the final say, but the actual choice should be Hahn's. No more revisiting 1986 by bringing LaRussa back. Time to move forward by learning from what happened 35 years ago.
October 25, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, Orlando said: What do you guys think? Still seem sharp? I think I want to punch Nick Swisher in the face
October 25, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think I want to punch Nick Swisher in the face Same, he sucks
October 25, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Orlando said: What do you guys think? Still seem sharp? He probably is still sharp. I think in Spring Training he will be sharp. By the dog days of summer, he will need a wake-up call in the dugout every 3 innings.
October 25, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, Orlando said: What do you guys think? Still seem sharp? Hard pass, please.
November 2, 20232 yr On 10/15/2020 at 6:40 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I said in another thread, but I'd hire Bochy first and Bochy only if he was interested in the job. Then probably Cora; Hinch would be fine, I just don't like Hinch dating back to his Diamondbacks days either. That said, he was so young then and he's fine now I'm sure. The hilarious thing is I don't think Managers mean much, but I think LaRussa would be an absolute disaster. There were a ton of misses with the rebuild, but la Russa over bochy really sent things downhill. He's the best manager of the past 50 years and it's not close.
November 2, 20232 yr Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: There were a ton of misses with the rebuild, but la Russa over bochy really sent things downhill. He's the best manager of the past 50 years and it's not close. Now that he's won a World Series in an odd-numbered year, yes.
November 2, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: There were a ton of misses with the rebuild, but la Russa over bochy really sent things downhill. He's the best manager of the past 50 years and it's not close. LaRussa over anyone is a miss really.
November 2, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, chw42 said: Now that he's won a World Series in an odd-numbered year, yes. You just know he’s been aching to get that monkey off his back.
November 2, 20232 yr Nothing I love more than reliving memories of the HoF guys that have come and gone. No, not you.
November 3, 20232 yr https://x.com/VinnieDuber/status/1720202799181357348?s=20 Quote As mentioned on @CHGO_WhiteSox , new Sox farm boss Paul Janish said ex Sox skipper Tony La Russa “is in some of our meetings.” TLR was reported to be consulting in some fashion during Sox’ front office changes in August, though he wasn’t team employee working in official capacity.
November 3, 20232 yr Wasn’t it Pedro over Bochy as well? I thought I read that Bochy was in Nashville and was interested in the Sox job.
November 3, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: https://x.com/VinnieDuber/status/1720202799181357348?s=20 If TLR sitting in those meetings caused him to advise JR to dump Hahn and Williams I am fine with him sitting in meetings.
November 3, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, ThirdGen said: If TLR sitting in those meetings caused him to advise JR to dump Hahn and Williams I am fine with him sitting in meetings. ...but then if he was sitting in those similar meetings that led to the hiring of Getz?
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